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Post by MTS on Nov 20, 2014 10:16:15 GMT -5
" “It’s hats off – we played a really tough, challenging schedule at our level and came out 1-2 and I couldn’t be prouder,” - Patsos What? I get that he wants to be positive after a turnaround win. The momentum's heading in the right direction. I just don't like this "our level" stuff. Sure, we're not Kentucky or even Maryland. But we spend more money than St. Bonaventure. We put more fans in our arena than UMass does in theirs. That's our level. Yeah I like Jimmy a lot and hope he wins a ton of games and decides to stay a long time but he has to remember he's coaching at a mid-major program with a lot of tradition, pride and resources. St. Bonaventure is a tough place to play and it was a very nice win but the only thing they got over us is conference affiliation (that's why there fans don't ever want to see Siena in the A10!). OK UMass is slightly above us in the pecking order but we still aren't talking BCS program. I realize we aren't VCU or Wichita State or Gonzaga but we aren't some rinky dink low-major D1 program either. He has to realize that Siena fans expect to be a top mid-major program.
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Post by billmurray on Nov 20, 2014 12:17:12 GMT -5
I get that he wants to be positive after a turnaround win. The momentum's heading in the right direction. I just don't like this "our level" stuff. Sure, we're not Kentucky or even Maryland. But we spend more money than St. Bonaventure. We put more fans in our arena than UMass does in theirs. That's our level. Yeah I like Jimmy a lot and hope he wins a ton of games and decides to stay a long time but he has to remember he's coaching at a mid-major program with a lot of tradition, pride and resources. St. Bonaventure is a tough place to play and it was a very nice win but the only thing they got over us is conference affiliation (that's why there fans don't ever want to see Siena in the A10!). OK UMass is slightly above us in the pecking order but we still aren't talking BCS program. I realize we aren't VCU or Wichita State or Gonzaga but we aren't some rinky dink low-major D1 program either. He has to realize that Siena fans expect to be a top mid-major program. What Siena fans want is not where we are today. Our level is an out of the top 25 mid major programs. I don't think his statement is inaccurate. Our level is a top to mid level MAAC program as it stands today. Want it all we want, we have to win a lot more games to change hat reality. Patsos is speaking "coach speak" and the some fans seem to want "play up to the fanbase speak". Somewhere in between is the truth. Siena is what it is as of today.
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Post by IndianSaint on Nov 20, 2014 12:29:33 GMT -5
Nobody should be surprised that has been saying these things -- he's been saying them long before Siena hired him. Agree. When he was at Loyola and played Siena he always had good things to say about Siena's team/program? He's just doing the same. However, we all know he meant it about Siena when at Loyola but doesn't now that he's at Siena.
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Post by IndianSaint on Nov 20, 2014 12:33:46 GMT -5
I am consummate college basketball fan who has been a season ticket holder at Siena for 20 + years, but I've said for years that at the end of the day, Siena College should worry more about raising the academic profile that jumping to a higher conference. Call me crazy, but if you only have one masters degree in a major that is unlikely for your basketball players you leave yourself very little wiggle room for 5th year redshirts or those 'older' transfers that you may need to plug holes in your roster in a higher conference. OK, you're crazy. Just kidding. It would be cool if Siena could increase the number of major programs.
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Post by IndianSaint on Nov 20, 2014 12:38:49 GMT -5
The fact that people still have hope of Siena moving up to a bigger conference is mind blowing. Lets just work with where we are and become dominate. Look at Gonzaga who has won their conference over and over and over.... Why arent they moving to a bigger conference from where they currently are? Because it just isn't as easy as 1,2,3. Once we become dominate and dont lose our coach every time we become dominate then there could be a consideration. Until then lets worry about now and enjoy it for what we have, because we all know it can be gone in the blink of an eye. I didn't read any part of this thread as yet another conference realignment thread. The point is that Gonzaga defined their own level, they didn't let their conference define it for them. Siena defines its own level too. We can still come out of our conference strong. If Siena can get back to the three peat performance and they a couple others to consistently win OOC games against up conferences we might be able to eventually get the MAAC to a more than one bid league. Some team needs to get to sweet 16 or better to get the league noticed; or when we do send two to the tourney they both win that first game.
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Post by glen on Nov 20, 2014 14:32:54 GMT -5
You guys are missing the bigger picture. If Siena is really on the ropes financially then their biggest concern is survival. The fact that we're still spending a decent sum on athletics is a bonus. We can kiss a conference move off at this point. Given the financials I don't see them moving even if the A10 begged (and I don't see that happening). I don't think the A10 would be as expensive as people think to get in but Siena clearly isn't rolling in dough so any increase would likely come under intense scrutiny. Enrollment has been dropping and from what I've heard we're lucky to be D1. Just sayin'
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Post by siena95 on Nov 20, 2014 14:58:58 GMT -5
You guys are missing the bigger picture. If Siena is really on the ropes financially then their biggest concern is survival. The fact that we're still spending a decent sum on athletics is a bonus. We can kiss a conference move off at this point. Given the financials I don't see them moving even if the A10 begged (and I don't see that happening). I don't think the A10 would be as expensive as people think to get in but Siena clearly isn't rolling in dough so any increase would likely come under intense scrutiny. Enrollment has been dropping and from what I've heard we're lucky to be D1. Just sayin' Glen, that doesn't matter to some... they just assume Siena will do whatever for the hoop team, even though school is struggling (like all similar institutions) has cut back on projects and cut some salaries and benefits. The school is an after thought to the hoop program, which is a double edged sword. Also don't hold your breath on the ARC renovations.
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Post by Tony on Nov 20, 2014 15:43:14 GMT -5
You guys are missing the bigger picture. If Siena is really on the ropes financially then their biggest concern is survival. The fact that we're still spending a decent sum on athletics is a bonus. We can kiss a conference move off at this point. Given the financials I don't see them moving even if the A10 begged (and I don't see that happening). I don't think the A10 would be as expensive as people think to get in but Siena clearly isn't rolling in dough so any increase would likely come under intense scrutiny. Enrollment has been dropping and from what I've heard we're lucky to be D1. Just sayin' Glen, that doesn't matter to some... they just assume Siena will do whatever for the hoop team, even though school is struggling (like all similar institutions) has cut back on projects and cut some salaries and benefits. The school is an after thought to the hoop program, which is a double edged sword. Also don't hold your breath on the ARC renovations. The money was the ARC renovations was collected for a specific reason and I believe has to be used on that. From what I'm told it will happen and indeed could have happened this year, but with the small cut to faculty would have looked bad.
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Post by SIENA1971 on Nov 20, 2014 16:24:17 GMT -5
ARC renovations will be done as a series of specific projects over an extended time period ... They have been prioritized and will begin at the end of the school year ...
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Post by saintsfan12 on Nov 20, 2014 18:00:15 GMT -5
You guys are missing the bigger picture. If Siena is really on the ropes financially then their biggest concern is survival. The fact that we're still spending a decent sum on athletics is a bonus. We can kiss a conference move off at this point. Given the financials I don't see them moving even if the A10 begged (and I don't see that happening). I don't think the A10 would be as expensive as people think to get in but Siena clearly isn't rolling in dough so any increase would likely come under intense scrutiny. Enrollment has been dropping and from what I've heard we're lucky to be D1. Just sayin' Glen, that doesn't matter to some... they just assume Siena will do whatever for the hoop team, even though school is struggling (like all similar institutions) has cut back on projects and cut some salaries and benefits. The school is an after thought to the hoop program, which is a double edged sword. Also don't hold your breath on the ARC renovations. Siena is struggling? I doubt that. They just built like 3 new buildings, not counting the ARC renovation or ridiculous golf facility
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Post by CellarRat on Nov 20, 2014 18:27:13 GMT -5
You guys are missing the bigger picture. If Siena is really on the ropes financially then their biggest concern is survival. The fact that we're still spending a decent sum on athletics is a bonus. We can kiss a conference move off at this point. Given the financials I don't see them moving even if the A10 begged (and I don't see that happening). I don't think the A10 would be as expensive as people think to get in but Siena clearly isn't rolling in dough so any increase would likely come under intense scrutiny. Enrollment has been dropping and from what I've heard we're lucky to be D1. Just sayin' We're lucky to be division 1? Where do you get your information from, that sounds absolutely ridiculous. Siena has a healthy endowment considering how young the college is. From what I understand it is fiscally conservative. We will be fine. Since we are just guessing, my guess is that we will continue to grow and expand. The facilities will be completed in the very near future and we join the a10. The following years we will play in the sweet 16, and making the elite 8 and then the final four. We lose to duke because Hughes is one of the refs and he calls 3 Ts on JP. Damn what a way to lose!
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Post by hankla on Nov 20, 2014 18:36:24 GMT -5
In this community as long as games are on live T V there will be no huge crowds no matter how good the team may become. The lack of weekend dates doesn't help the situation.
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Post by CellarRat on Nov 20, 2014 18:41:04 GMT -5
In this community as long as games are on live T V there will be no huge crowds no matter how good the team may become. The lack of weekend dates doesn't help the situation. I disagree.
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Post by DelmartianEd on Nov 20, 2014 20:11:42 GMT -5
Siena is struggling? I doubt that. They just built like 3 new buildings, not counting the ARC renovation or ridiculous golf facility Yeah, they built a lot and then the rating services told 'em to chill out. But they'll keep going, it's just got to be measured.
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