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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 17:56:23 GMT -5
I only hope that Lavon's career at Siena parallels or exceeds Franklins. That kid was a baller and a MAAC POY.
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Post by SaintsFan on Oct 23, 2014 17:58:55 GMT -5
In Lavon's defense, we have a finished product of Franklin compared to one year of long. BUT... the Siena site really doesn't mention how much Franklin was involved in assisting Moore and co making that Siena team unpressable. Franklin was a beast all over the floor. One of my all time favorites. He went from dunking when open in games to absolutely posterizing people much bigger than himself as a junior/senior
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Post by MTS on Oct 23, 2014 18:31:07 GMT -5
I bet 9-10 Siena fans would take alex over Lavon if they were drafting a team Totally unfair to compare. Franklin was an all-time Siena great. Lavon is a budding young star. Let's see what book he writes the next three years at Siena. He's just starting the second quarter of his Siena career. Franklin was an unbelievable talent (a couple inches taller he's in the NBA) but they are different players.
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Post by CellarRat on Oct 23, 2014 18:37:55 GMT -5
I bet 9-10 Siena fans would take alex over Lavon if they were drafting a team Alex was such a great talent and a really good kid. I see a lot of that in Lavon. Let's not judge Lavon as he is now by how we remember Alex when he was a junior or senior. Alex is one of my favorites that played at Siena, but I have a feeling I'll be saying the same thing about Lavon when he completes his time at Siena.
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Post by th24 on Oct 23, 2014 19:14:45 GMT -5
I'm going on the record right now- baring injuries - Long, Poole and Oliver are going to have breakout seasons!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 20:14:07 GMT -5
How come nobody mentions Lavon's court vision in articles? Prorated to Lavon's minutes: Franklin 120 Lavon 148 Yep. But how do you know which fouls were offense vs. defense? Do you have a log? Could you please provide? Franklin got called for a lot of charges and hooking calls...if anything I'd say he had even more offensive fouls than Lavon...but you must have proof that of Lavon's extra 28 fouls per year more would be more offensive than Franklins'. ...And that Alex's higher assist ratio was less a result of having Lavon's 'vision' and more from being 'lucky.' Alex Franklin GENERAL: Physical post presence, who has added even more muscle entering this season...Plays well above size... Can take over a game inside, providing a great balance to Siena's talented back court...Holds his own on both ends of the court against much larger post players... A great competitor with a fearless mindset...Can score in a variety of ways and take his opponent off the dribble...Aggressive rebounder with a tremendous build... Creative around the basket...Has a knack for getting to the foul line, especially to finish old fashion 3-point plays. Lavon Long Versatile, physical talent who adds value in several roles Aggressive rebounder with a sneaky offensive game Excellent off the bounce and around the basket Above-average ball-handler, especially for his size Creates mismatches on both ends of the floor Two different players KK... this is from Siena website I like Lavon. I'm just giving you a hard time. It bothers me when you continually take comparisons to Franklin as an insult. It should be a great compliment. Most MAAC people who have seen both players play look at Lavon and say 'hey, that guy reminds me a little of Alex Franklin'. Most people see that. We've been going back and forth about this since that first day you showed up on the MAAC board before committing to Loyola. In my honest opinion, Lavon is a better jump shooter/slightly better FT shooter than Franklin but Franklin was slightly ahead of him in just about every other facet of the game at this stage. You read that he played PF..so he's a different type of player. No. Alex Franklin was a SF who played PF because it was an advantage for his team. He could do everything Lavon can except that three ball. Coming out of HS he was a SF. preps.scout.com/a.z?s=225&p=8&c=1&nid=2235084 Because of his jumper, Lavon can score out on the perimeter perhaps better than Franklin. Franklin though was more athletic and a better ballhawk. But they are similar in what they can bring to a team with their toughness and ball skills in a small lineup. Honestly, if I thought Lavon was going to have to play 100% of his time at the SF during recruitment..I might not have signed him. Not because he's not good or even that he can't play the three, but because if you can't take advantage of his mismatch ability...what's the point? If you look at my best players by position in the MAAC list. At the SF, Lavon was well below average. On paper, the 8th best returning starting SF in the conference. That's after you disregard guys like Beamon, Bowman, Myles, Perez, Barrow, Bowie, Burke etc.. who graduated. At the PF though...TOTALLY different story. That's why you play him there. He was just a frosh and will slowly move his way up the SF charts but he's already near the top at PF. And that's why you play him there. That mismatch makes him lethal.
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Post by tcbaseball on Oct 23, 2014 20:25:56 GMT -5
Sorry bad comparison-- Franklin had several dunks as a freshmen and Ubiles had even more. This Siena team is fun, but from an athleticism POV not even close to Fran's teams. Sorry cant find a video, but I'm sure they are out there, here is story about Franklin's 1st game and his two dunks. You have to remember PPC Siena fans have seen a lot of good players over the years.. those freshmen came within 90 seconds of winning the MAAC 4 straight years- Ubiles/Franklin and Moore is probably the greatest class in MAAC history . certainly in Siena history. This team reminds me a lot of Hewitts teams that were good, won a lot of games but because of lack of athleticism struggled in up games or NCAA games alb.merlinone.net/mweb/wmsql.wm.request?oneimage&imageid=6368298Well several Siena fans told me Franklin was not dunking freshman year. So I will take their version over yours here. Unless you can produce the video. I did not bring him up to compare. This is Patsos' team not Fran's we have players becoming themselves not a team from the past. It is a fact that freshman esp on the MM level are not dunking at a high rate. Not many freshmen are even playing much usually. The most athletic players are usually not at MMs and if they have the potential and work ethic the sky is the limit You did read the article correct? The very first game Franklin played.... It says he dunked twice in his first game....Disregard... I saw a few posts down where you recant.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 23, 2014 21:27:26 GMT -5
Before I read all of that KK let me say again. Franklin was a great player at Siena. It is not an insult for you to compare Lavon to him. I just believe although simular in some ways they are very different in others. You are also comparing a freshman season to an exceptional 4 year career and you know what Franklin ended up being. You dont know where Lavon will end up being after 4 years .... lets just wait and see before we put him in a box he does not belong in.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 23, 2014 21:36:13 GMT -5
Alex Franklin GENERAL: Physical post presence, who has added even more muscle entering this season...Plays well above size... Can take over a game inside, providing a great balance to Siena's talented back court...Holds his own on both ends of the court against much larger post players... A great competitor with a fearless mindset...Can score in a variety of ways and take his opponent off the dribble...Aggressive rebounder with a tremendous build... Creative around the basket...Has a knack for getting to the foul line, especially to finish old fashion 3-point plays. Lavon Long Versatile, physical talent who adds value in several roles Aggressive rebounder with a sneaky offensive game Excellent off the bounce and around the basket Above-average ball-handler, especially for his size Creates mismatches on both ends of the floor Two different players KK... this is from Siena website I like Lavon. I'm just giving you a hard time. It bothers me when you continually take comparisons to Franklin as an insult. It should be a great compliment. Most MAAC people who have seen both players play look at Lavon and say 'hey, that guy reminds me a little of Alex Franklin'. Most people see that. We've been going back and forth about this since that first day you showed up on the MAAC board before committing to Loyola. In my honest opinion, Lavon is a better jump shooter/slightly better FT shooter than Franklin but Franklin was slightly ahead of him in just about every other facet of the game at this stage. You read that he played PF..so he's a different type of player. No. Alex Franklin was a SF who played PF because it was an advantage for his team. He could do everything Lavon can except that three ball. Coming out of HS he was a SF. preps.scout.com/a.z?s=225&p=8&c=1&nid=2235084 Because of his jumper, Lavon can score out on the perimeter perhaps better than Franklin. Franklin though was more athletic and a better ballhawk. But they are similar in what they can bring to a team with their toughness and ball skills in a small lineup. Honestly, if I thought Lavon was going to have to play 100% of his time at the SF during recruitment..I might not have signed him. Not because he's not good or even that he can't play the three, but because if you can't take advantage of his mismatch ability...what's the point? If you look at my best players by position in the MAAC list. At the SF, Lavon was well below average. On paper, the 8th best returning starting SF in the conference. That's after you disregard guys like Beamon, Bowman, Myles, Perez, Barrow, Bowie, Burke etc.. who graduated. At the PF though...TOTALLY different story. That's why you play him there. He was just a frosh and will slowly move his way up the SF charts but he's already near the top at PF. And that's why you play him there. That mismatch makes him lethal. See KK I already know your view on this... yes we have had this convo since my first day on this board. I am glad to hear you give Lavon's shooting some credit. I cant argue who was better as freshman because I did not watch Franklin. But Lavon played more mins and started all season. You have watched Franklin for 4 years to form your opinion. Lavon is just getting started. This time last year you said Lavon could not shoot FTs or 3's
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 23, 2014 21:38:05 GMT -5
preps.scout.com/a.z?s=225&p=8&c=1&nid=2235084And KK JO was a SF in HS as well per the profile. You know you cant go by that. The description on the website is more accurate And Lavon plays the 3/4 and can be a match up problem at both positions because he can defend both. But that does not make him a PF... just like Cole wont be considered a PF when he plays the 4... White and Poole also play the 4... being a PF has to do with skill set just like being a guard has a different skill set. If you can do both no one will admit you are a guard.... esp in a MM conference.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 23, 2014 22:00:07 GMT -5
I bet 9-10 Siena fans would take alex over Lavon if they were drafting a team I an sure they would. Lavon played one freshman season for Siena. That's nothing compared to the exceptional 4 year career that Franklin had here
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 23, 2014 22:32:11 GMT -5
In Lavon's defense, we have a finished product of Franklin compared to one year of long. BUT... the Siena site really doesn't mention how much Franklin was involved in assisting Moore and co making that Siena team unpressable. Franklin was a beast all over the floor. One of my all time favorites. He went from dunking when open in games to absolutely posterizing people much bigger than himself as a junior/senior Franklin Bookmarked his season with eye-popping performances...Began collegiate career with team-high 20-point, six-rebound effort at Pac-10 power Stanford (11/11)...Ended year with 27-point, 11-rebound performance in MAAC final against Niagara (3/5)...Played all 32 games averaging 8.3 points, 4.9 rebounds and 22.4 minutes...Led team with a 60.1% field goal percentage...Made 40 of last 48 free throws...Scored 11 of his 13 points in the second half to help Siena to road win at Fairfield (2/14)...Reached double figures nine times...Had 15 points and made 9-10 free throws in regular-season finale at Marist (2/24)...Shot 50% or better from the field in 29 of 32 games. Long MAAC All-Rookie Team selection Reached double figures in scoring 19 times Posted double-doubles at Iona (1/19) and at Marist (2/14) Named MAAC Rookie of the Week (2/24) after scoring 16 second half points in big win at Rider (2/23) Different freshman seasons. Franklin BEFORE SIENA: A two-time All-State selection at Central Catholic...Named All-Berks County and team MVP three times...Selected Berks County Most Outstanding Athlete as a senior...Berks County Player of the Year as junior and senior...Led Central Catholic to a 28-2 record as well as the Berks County and District 3 Championship as a senior...Averaged 18 points, 10 rebounds and four assists per game as a senior. Long BEFORE SIENA: Averaged 15 points, 10.8 rebounds, 3.6 blocks, three assists and 2.5 steals as a senior at Oakland Mills Was named Fourth Team All-Met by the Washington Post and Howard County Player of the Year after leading the Scorpions to a 24-1 record, the Howard County Championship, and a Regional Finals appearance as a senior Transferred to Oakland Mills after junior season after studying and playing three years at Mount St. Joseph Different HS players
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 8:39:48 GMT -5
I used the silly Scout.com profile of Franklin cause you are so fond using profiles to prove your points. But it doesn't count when I do it but does when you do it. I know they are meaningless but you can't have it both ways.
Then you go spout more meaningless team profile write-ups to prove how different they are. What does that even mean?
So different? Franklin actually averaged even more assists in HS.
Lavon: Averaged 15 points, 10.8 rebounds, 3 assists as a HS senior. Franklin: Averaged 18 points, 10 rebounds and 4 assists as a HS senior.
I don't get your points but we can stop this. No need to pollute the thread further.
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Post by SaintsFan on Oct 24, 2014 9:13:13 GMT -5
It is an interesting comparison
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Long
26.4 mins, 9.4 pts, 4.9 rbs, 1.2 asts, 0.6 stls, 0.7 blks, 1.8 to, .425 fg%, .721 ft%, .375 3p%
Franklin
22.4 mins, 8.3 pts, 4.9 rbs, 1.3 asts, 0.8 stls, 0.7 blks, 1.8 to, .674 fg%, 0 for 1 from 3
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 9:28:50 GMT -5
It is an interesting comparison as freshman... Long 26.4 mins, 9.4 pts, 4.9 rbs, 1.2 asts, 0.6 stls, 0.7 blks, 1.8 to, .425 fg%, .721 ft%, .375 3p% Franklin 22.4 mins, 8.3 pts, 4.9 rbs, 1.3 asts, 0.8 stls, 0.7 blks, 1.8 to, .674 fg%, 0 for 1 from 3 It is silly similar right? Not just me.
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