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Post by Tony on Oct 20, 2014 15:59:32 GMT -5
You think that’s biased you aint seen nothing I was reading the most delusional MAAC team board and they were talking about how “deep” they are, maybe CLuess deepest team yet—I’m thinking to myself deep—no effing way let me check this,,so after big 3 they have Amayo who has scored of 8 points his entire college career, Mohammed a 5’7” JuCo PG that hasn’t played a min of D1 ball, Bebis a greek freshmen , Casmir a 5’8” freshmen guard , Grant Ellis scored 10 points his entire career, Hines scored 48 points—one of their projected starters is a 6’4” power forward that couldn’t start for Longwoood?? And they call that team deep? Gals cant even put 5 experienced starters on the floor let alone reserves, The Iona board is good for a barrel of laughs.. you just can’t make this stuff up Yeah, I've seen. Think Casimir will be pretty good though. Hines can shoot. Dublin will get putbacks. Amayo can attack. They have pieces but it's not the 'end all be all' they make it out to be. But that big three is solid and efficient. They'll win because of how well they shoot and take care of the ball. But I think they are more prone to upset than Guy would have us believe. The defense and rebounding is just not there. Dont get me wrong, I think Iona will be pretty good just with the top 3, but after that a ton of question marks ..Casmir is a 5'8" freshmen.. he may be good.( maybe not) . Dublin aint getting too many "putbacks" as a 6'4" power forward that cant shoot outside 3 feet. One of the things that made Iona so dangerous the last 4 years is they could really spread the floor.. they would put Laury ( and before that Glover) on floor with 4 shooters- last year Armand English Bowman and Williams, before that MomO,Machado. Smyth, Jenkins-- just dont see those type shooters this year-- hell Armand shot 45% from 3 last year you had to guard him coming out of locker room. Bowman shot 40% that kind of efficiency is hard to replace
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Post by Tony on Oct 20, 2014 16:04:42 GMT -5
I applaud the effort, lord knows I don't want to dive that deep into position rankings. I think it's pretty established that you don't think too highly of Lewis, and really like Ish Williams - while they're both good players, I'd personally have Lewis at the time of the SF position. Also, if you could somehow let Lawrence see that you ranked Valenti ahead of him, I'd like to see how he responds when Manhattan play Canisius this year. yeah KK doesn't like Lewis and for some reason he loves Williams.. actually KK did a pretty good job, other than ranking Williams a guy who was 4th option on offense only went to free throw line 20 times for a season ahead of a guy who was #1 option on his team ( albeit a poor team) that went to free throw line almost 200 times last year .. I like Williams, but he has done nothing to be ranked 1st at SF postion in my mind.. but hey we are all entitled to our opinion, that's what makes the board fun
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 16:22:42 GMT -5
I applaud the effort, lord knows I don't want to dive that deep into position rankings. I think it's pretty established that you don't think too highly of Lewis, and really like Ish Williams - while they're both good players, I'd personally have Lewis at the time of the SF position. Also, if you could somehow let Lawrence see that you ranked Valenti ahead of him, I'd like to see how he responds when Manhattan play Canisius this year. yeah KK doesn't like Lewis and for some reason he loves Williams.. actually KK did a pretty good job, other than ranking Williams a guy who was 4th option on offense only went to free throw line 20 times for a season ahead of a guy who was #1 option on his team ( albeit a poor team) that went to free throw line almost 200 times last year .. I like Williams, but he has done nothing to be ranked 1st at SF postion in my mind.. but hey we are all entitled to our opinion, that's what makes the board fun I like Lewis a lot. It's just I really like IW. And Deon Jones rebounded way better, shot way better, and blocked a lot more shots than Lewis last year. And he gets to the line just as much. Lewis gets some more steals but have to be fair here. If I was IW's coach, I say you're either shooting a layup, a dunk, or a three. A guy who shoots as well as he does should take advantage of the fact that 3 pointers are worth more than 2 pointers. It's just math. He also defends. He had 75 steals and 56 blocks at JuCo ..with a 121-50 assist ratio. There is still upside there that the MAAC hasn't seen yet. He could be the guy I'm scared of the most on Iona.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 17:50:08 GMT -5
Not including frosh...here's a quick run at it. PG A.J. English, Iona M. Wright, Siena G. McLean, Quinny T. Wyche. SPC J. Taylor, Rider Z. Sadler, Rider R. Stores, Manhattan E. Hymes, Siena KJ Rose, Fairfield T. Okereafor, Rider J. Robinson, Monmouth K. Amayo, Iona J. James, Monmouth K. Chandler, Quinny SG Z. Hearst, Quinny K. Hart, Marist R. Poole, Siena Z. Lewis, Canisius S. Richards, Manhattan D. Washington, SPC J. Ford, Quinny R. Oliver, Siena T. Hester, SPC S. Dennis, SPC P. Cole, Siena SF I . Williams, Iona D. Jones, Monmouth C. Lewis, Marist M. Gilbert, Fairfield E. Andujar, Manhattan R. Williams, Manhattan A. Nicholas, Monmouth L. Long, Siena PF D. Laury, Iona M. Dominique, SPC B. Bisping, Siena L. Long, Siena K. Thomas, Rider P. Valenti, Canisius J. Lawrence, Manhattan R. Hines, Iona J. Dublin, Iona M. Kirkland, Fairfield C O. Drame, Quinny A. Pankey, Manhattan Q. Welton, SPC I. Silas, Siena B. Kofane, Monmouth A. Sidibe, Fairfield M. Gilbert, Fairfield Josiah Heath, Canisius J. Ogunyemi, Siena Not sure if listing Long twice was on purpose or not. If it was, I think there are some other players that are "tweeners" and would deserve double billing. I applaud the effort, lord knows I don't want to dive that deep into position rankings. I think it's pretty established that you don't think too highly of Lewis, and really like Ish Williams - while they're both good players, I'd personally have Lewis at the time of the SF position. Also, if you could somehow let Lawrence see that you ranked Valenti ahead of him, I'd like to see how he responds when Manhattan play Canisius this year. Putting Long at both was on purpose. Emmy will likely play even more SF than in the past this year. That team is guard poor and he has to. Otherwise I'd have put him at both. Valenti sneakily put up real solid stats in his first year. He should take a step forward this year and be one of CC's best players. Lawrence is an athletic freak and could quickly take off but he just didn't do anything well as a frosh.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 19:25:31 GMT -5
KK, I'm not sure if your deep rankings are a joke or not, but I happen to think you are spot on about Ryan Oliver and Imoh Silas. Oliver and Silas are very good role players.
I certainly agree: Iona's Williams is going to be one of the best in the MAAC. If I had thought more about it, I would have ranked him over Marist's Lewis and our beloved Lavon. My high ranking of Lewis is predicated on him being motivated in his senior year, but that doesn't always happen. My high ranking of Lavon would require an essay-like explanation (I will spare everyone).
My ranking of Poole above Hart is pure Siena and senior bias, but your ranking of Hart over Z. Lewis, S. Richards and D. Washington requires some explanation.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 20, 2014 19:45:16 GMT -5
Here is my stupid-ass list and criteria. Obviously, I'm totally biased towards Siena and non-scoring centers. PG is a player who will run the offense and lead their team in assists. Marist's Hart need NOT apply for this position. SG is the team's top outside shooter who is not classified as a forward or point guard. BTW, Iona's English would be my #1 SG, but he meets my criteria as a PG. SF is where I put players that are hard to categorize. PF are players who can rebound and score inside, but are not starting centers. Some of my PF's have very good outside games and could be classified as SFs but they rebound well enough to be consider PFs. C are starting centers. In the MAAC, the 3rd and 4th best starting centers are typically the 75th and 90th best players in the MAAC, so you can pretty much pick anyone you want, which is exactly what I did. Laury is a PF, but he is the closest thing Iona has to a center and will always be the tallest player in their lineup. Drame is really the only true starting center who is a worthy All-MAAC selection. PG 1 English Iona 2 Wright Siena 3 Wyche St. Peters 4 Sadler Rider SG 1 Hearst Quinny 2 Poole Siena 3 Washington St. Peters 4 Nicholas Monmouth SF 1 Lewis Marist 2 Long Siena 3 Williams Iona 4 Marcus Gilbert Fairfield PF 1 Dominique St. Peters 2 Bisping Siena 3 Andujar Manhattan 4 Jones Monmouth C 1 Drame Quinny 2 Laury Iona 3 Silas Siena 4 Ogunyemi Siena Thanks for playing. We have some things in common in terms of skill sets and categories better known as positions. This is exactly what I was asking. I enjoyed reading your list and reasons behind it. I appreciate your perspective.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 20, 2014 19:51:47 GMT -5
Not including frosh...here's a quick run at it. PG A.J. English, Iona M. Wright, Siena G. McLean, Quinny T. Wyche. SPC J. Taylor, Rider Z. Sadler, Rider R. Stores, Manhattan E. Hymes, Siena KJ Rose, Fairfield T. Okereafor, Rider J. Robinson, Monmouth K. Amayo, Iona J. James, Monmouth K. Chandler, Quinny SG Z. Hearst, Quinny K. Hart, Marist R. Poole, Siena Z. Lewis, Canisius S. Richards, Manhattan D. Washington, SPC J. Ford, Quinny R. Oliver, Siena T. Hester, SPC S. Dennis, SPC P. Cole, Siena SF I . Williams, Iona D. Jones, Monmouth C. Lewis, Marist M. Gilbert, Fairfield E. Andujar, Manhattan R. Williams, Manhattan A. Nicholas, Monmouth L. Long, Siena PF D. Laury, Iona M. Dominique, SPC B. Bisping, Siena L. Long, Siena K. Thomas, Rider P. Valenti, Canisius J. Lawrence, Manhattan R. Hines, Iona J. Dublin, Iona M. Kirkland, Fairfield C O. Drame, Quinny A. Pankey, Manhattan Q. Welton, SPC I. Silas, Siena B. Kofane, Monmouth A. Sidibe, Fairfield M. Gilbert, Fairfield Josiah Heath, Canisius J. Ogunyemi, Siena Thank you KK. I knew you had all of the players in the league at the tip of your tongue.
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Post by junctionkid on Oct 20, 2014 20:54:42 GMT -5
KK , fascinated to read your perceptive and thorough take on the MAACs players . As a St Peter's fan , certainly appreciate your generous rankings of Peacock players who tend to get , let's say , under appreciated by many MAAC fans . JD is a good coach but he doesn't do it with as little talent as many think . Welton is my favorite player on the team and , if healthy , may live up to your ranking this year . I do think this may turn out to one of the best group of MAAC bigs in number over the next few years which will bode well for the conference in the ' preseason ' when we all root for each other . I will disagree more than a bit with your low ranking of Desi . His game has some flaws but that clutch game winning three point shooting overcomes them to a significant degree . If Welton is fully healthy and either Hester or Dennis live up to their potential as outside shooters , Desi could have a great senior season .
Agree totally with your rankings and words about Andujar and Valenti . Also agree with your creative putting of Long on two lists . That tweener thing can be a plus or minus but no doubt about his talent . He is potentially one of the best to come into our conference . Reminds me some of a son of a friend who plays for the Hoosiers , Stanford Robinson . Long is not as quick and athletic as Stanford but has better court vision and intelligence than Robinson . Who will become the better outside shooter of the two ?
I will disagree strongly with your low rating of Chandler of FF . He could give Trevis and Marquis some great battles over the next three years . But if I were to make a list I am sure you might find a few choices to disagree with strongly . Anyway , thanks for a good read as this long offseason finally draws to a close .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 21:13:16 GMT -5
KK , fascinated to read your perceptive and thorough take on the MAACs players . As a St Peter's fan , certainly appreciate your generous rankings of Peacock players who tend to get , let's say , under appreciated by many MAAC fans . JD is a good coach but he doesn't do it with as little talent as many think . Welton is my favorite player on the team and , if healthy , may live up to your ranking this year . I do think this may turn out to one of the best group of MAAC bigs in number over the next few years which will bode well for the conference in the ' preseason ' when we all root for each other . I will disagree more than a bit with your low ranking of Desi . His game has some flaws but that clutch game winning three point shooting overcomes them to a significant degree . If Welton is fully healthy and either Hester or Dennis live up to their potential as outside shooters , Desi could have a great senior season . Agree totally with your rankings and words about Andujar and Valenti . Also agree with your creative putting of Long on two lists . That tweener thing can be a plus or minus but no doubt about his talent . He is potentially one of the best to come into our conference . Reminds me some of a son of a friend who plays for the Hoosiers , Stanford Robinson . Long is not as quick and athletic as Stanford but has better court vision and intelligence than Robinson . Who will become the better outside shooter of the two ? I will disagree strongly with your low rating of Chandler of FF . He could give Trevis and Marquis some great battles over the next three years . But if I were to make a list I am sure you might find a few choices to disagree with strongly . Anyway , thanks for a good read as this long offseason finally draws to a close . Thanks for the words. Usually, SPC fans rip me apart for some reason yet I'm so tame with you guys. Desi is a good player but he's just 6-2, has a negative assist ratio, doesn't create for others, doesn't rebound that well, and his shooting percentages don't favorably compare with much of this SG list. He shot the worst of anyone on that list this past year. I will give you that perhaps he should be higher than Richards. Chandler (for Quinny) has to prove himself. He showed flashes but he's not really a shooter and he's not as pure a PG as others. Plus, now he's got McLean to fight with. He may find himself on the bench with guys like McLean, Ford, and Hutton around. I don't think the centers are particularly deep this year. PFs yes, Centers no. SPC needs Welton. They don't have the frontcourt depth the rest of the top of the MAAC has... Hopefully, he's alright. SPC's weakness is also perimeter defense. Boone and Chazz aren't really shooters and the shooters aren't really defenders. Some tradeoffs there. Something to watch. Wyche really needs to get a jumper too.
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