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Post by hoopjunkie on Sept 11, 2014 15:48:39 GMT -5
Maybe so, but he might be our 4th best player. If he ends up being the 4th best player he wont be the leading scorer. I've never been a "whoever scores the most points is the best" guy. When you shoot the ball 429 times (next highest kid was Bisping at 302) you should be the leading scorer. I'm hoping Pooles shot total decreases considerably and we have a very balanced scoring group. That's the only way we can live up to everyones lofty expectaions. Oliver and Cole should also knock Pooles minutes down from 34 to 28-30 a game. That loss of court time should bring his shot, and point, total back to the pack, and when it does, we should be a real balanced team that doesn't need to count on one kid to score the ball. I hope we have 5 double digit scorers, and nobody on the ALL-MAAC team. T-E-A-M is gonna get it done this year.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Sept 11, 2014 16:01:49 GMT -5
I agree...we will be a balanced team with multiple double digit scorers and thats how we will win championships.
But there will be a player on the first team from the champs and runner up just because that's how it goes. The leading scorer will get the nod and that's why Poole made the preseason list.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Sept 11, 2014 16:10:49 GMT -5
Oh, I know why he made it, but it's offbase IMHO
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Post by MTS on Sept 11, 2014 16:28:01 GMT -5
I said this before....if we get picked high in the preseason our leading scorer will make first team in the preseason and if we win or make it to the ship our leading scorer will make the first team. Its all about the numbers and everyone in the league is not measured just the top scorers on the top teams for these awards. When we win it all this year Poole will make first team if he leads us in scoring again. Maybe so, but he might be our 4th best player. I can see Poole being our fourth best player. It just shows that this team is really talented. Wright, Long and Cole and/or Bisping could be better. As I said before Poole is a really good player but you probably wouldn't win the championship if he's your best player. But he won't be next year. That said he might be the one who ends up on the first team as PPC said because he is a senior and might lead the team in scoring (or second in scoring).
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Post by playerparentcoach on Sept 11, 2014 18:00:35 GMT -5
Oh, I know why he made it, but it's offbase IMHO I understand but you know more about the team as a fan. The folks that make those list just look at the numbers... points in particular. ..esp the preseason one. Team ball is winning ball though so I agree with you there. We wontv rely on one player and that's a good thing. We will prob have a playerv on all 3 teams once we hit our stride...could be this year
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Post by Tony on Sept 11, 2014 18:23:54 GMT -5
Oh, I know why he made it, but it's offbase IMHO I understand but you know more about the team as a fan. The folks that make those list just look at the numbers... points in particular. ..esp the preseason one. Team ball is winning ball though so I agree with you there. We wontv rely on one player and that's a good thing. We will prob have a playerv on all 3 teams once we hit our stride...could be this year If the team wins individual accolades will come the teams way..Just win and ALL MAAC awards will take care of themselves
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Post by hoopjunkie on Sept 11, 2014 18:29:31 GMT -5
Oh, I know why he made it, but it's offbase IMHO I understand but you know more about the team as a fan. The folks that make those list just look at the numbers... points in particular. ..esp the preseason one. Team ball is winning ball though so I agree with you there. We wontv rely on one player and that's a good thing. We will prob have a playerv on all 3 teams once we hit our stride...could be this year The Sporting News won't be voting on the team in March, but the coaches will. Depending on where we finish, our best player might make the 1st team. The coaches do tend to reward seniors in these things, but I'm hoping Poole averages around 11-12ppg this year, and more kids step up and give us more scoring balance.
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Post by Tony on Sept 11, 2014 18:34:34 GMT -5
I understand but you know more about the team as a fan. The folks that make those list just look at the numbers... points in particular. ..esp the preseason one. Team ball is winning ball though so I agree with you there. We wontv rely on one player and that's a good thing. We will prob have a playerv on all 3 teams once we hit our stride...could be this year The Sporting News won't be voting on the team in March, but the coaches will. Depending on where we finish, our best player might make the 1st team. The coaches do tend to reward seniors in these things, but I'm hoping Poole averages around 11-12ppg this year, and more kids step up and give us more scoring balance. Personally I think you are under selling Poole- I expect his avg to stay close within a point or so to last year, he will take less shots, but shoot a much higher pct. Hopefully not too many of the last second heaves he was forced to take last year as shot clock expired. Seniors have a way of stepping up
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Post by hoopjunkie on Sept 11, 2014 18:50:35 GMT -5
The Sporting News won't be voting on the team in March, but the coaches will. Depending on where we finish, our best player might make the 1st team. The coaches do tend to reward seniors in these things, but I'm hoping Poole averages around 11-12ppg this year, and more kids step up and give us more scoring balance. Personally I think you are under selling Poole- I expect his avg to stay close within a point or so to last year, he will take less shots, but shoot a much higher pct. Hopefully not too many of the last second heaves he was forced to take last year as shot clock expired. Seniors have a way of stepping up I just think with the way Oliver stepped up last year, and the addition of Cole, and even Paige, at the 2/3 positions will make it real hard for anyone other than Wright to get over 30 min a game. As for a "much higher" shooting %, you think he'll be around 46-47%?? He does that, he might make the 1st team!
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Post by Tony on Sept 11, 2014 19:02:36 GMT -5
Personally I think you are under selling Poole- I expect his avg to stay close within a point or so to last year, he will take less shots, but shoot a much higher pct. Hopefully not too many of the last second heaves he was forced to take last year as shot clock expired. Seniors have a way of stepping up I just think with the way Oliver stepped up last year, and the addition of Cole, and even Paige, at the 2/3 positions will make it real hard for anyone other than Wright to get over 30 min a game. As for a "much higher" shooting %, you think he'll be around 46-47%?? He does that, he might make the 1st team! 46-47%? dont be silly... ..he shot 41% from floor last year and 36% from 3--45 pct from floor and 40% from 3 will be a nice jump and if he's not forcing last seconds shots, attainable. Poole will end up playing close to 30 min a game ( down from 34 last year) you are not giving Robbie credit for the fact he was the #1 defensive target for every team Siena faced last year-- do you think opposing teams game planned around Oliver?
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Post by hoopjunkie on Sept 11, 2014 19:08:31 GMT -5
I just think with the way Oliver stepped up last year, and the addition of Cole, and even Paige, at the 2/3 positions will make it real hard for anyone other than Wright to get over 30 min a game. As for a "much higher" shooting %, you think he'll be around 46-47%?? He does that, he might make the 1st team! 46-47%? dont be silly... ..he shot 41% from floor last year and 36% from 3--45 pct from floor and 40% from 3 will be a nice jump and if he's not forcing last seconds shots, attainable. Poole will end up playing close to 30 min a game ( down from 34 last year) you are not giving Robbie credit for the fact he was the #1 defensive target for every team Siena faced last year-- do you think opposing teams game planned around Oliver? I think he was the main focus early in the year. Less so in the 2nd half, and like I said, he shot the ball 25% more than the 2nd guy on the team. That's a lot! I need MTS to do a "minutes chart" for the team in '14-'15. I just don't see how Poole can get more than 28-30 min a night. ps--does a 1% difference (45% to 46%) really get a "don't be silly" response!? lol
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Post by Tony on Sept 11, 2014 19:14:50 GMT -5
Sorry I thought you meant 46 47% from 3-- listen there is no right or wrong here. And I'm not saying Poole will or ( wont ) be 1st team ALL MAAC-- I think he is a pretty good player, but not the "man" he will benefit greatly from Bisping ,Long being bigger scoring threats, from Cole being on the floor, he is a senior that has played a lot of minutes and taken a lot of big shots over his career-- I dont see his time going down considerably- you know coaches love to play seniors..I think we get close to his scoring and rebounding stats last year, with Poole taking less shots and playing 4 or 5 less min a game..just my humble opinion
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Post by playerparentcoach on Sept 11, 2014 19:28:15 GMT -5
The more you do the more you play.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Sept 11, 2014 19:37:48 GMT -5
I understand but you know more about the team as a fan. The folks that make those list just look at the numbers... points in particular. ..esp the preseason one. Team ball is winning ball though so I agree with you there. We wontv rely on one player and that's a good thing. We will prob have a playerv on all 3 teams once we hit our stride...could be this year The Sporting News won't be voting on the team in March, but the coaches will. Depending on where we finish, our best player might make the 1st team. The coaches do tend to reward seniors in these things, but I'm hoping Poole averages around 11-12ppg this year, and more kids step up and give us more scoring balance. Not just talking about this list I am talking about all of them. The writer does not know your team like you do and neither do the opposing coaches. ... and their picks are based on what your team did against them ...points are most important and until Poole is dethroned as our leading scorer he will continue to get the nod by the outsiders
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Post by musicman on Sept 11, 2014 19:51:13 GMT -5
I totally agree with Tony. With more roster versatility, hopefully better ball movement with improved inside play (slashing and inside scoring with personnel like Cole, Lavon etc., Rob should have much better shot selection this year. He was a victim of our "last second" offense last year. I'm frankly surprised his numbers were as good as they were. If we can develop, like I think we will, a better inside game this year, we are going to make it real tough on teams. I would like to see these other teams having to worry about us down low, with us having multiple people out on the perimeter. It could be exciting! I agree, I think Rob is going to have the same average, in fewer minutes and fewer shots.
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