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Post by gorvy on Aug 8, 2014 20:54:47 GMT -5
I think mousse does have a valid concern with the rented facility. However that will make it more imperative to join the a 10 should the opportunity arise. Why? whats the concern? Siena is the TUC's primary tenant. I wonder if Providence,Georgetown , Villanova, Crieghton , Marquette among many others are concerned about being in a "rented" facility Well my concern is ualbany or another team becomes the primary tenant and shuts us out of the marquee dates for home games. Hopefully this concern never comes to pass.
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Post by diamonddog on Aug 8, 2014 21:44:28 GMT -5
All I can say on this move is ugh. Really don't like the unequal structure college athletics is starting to make.
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Post by mrsiena on Aug 9, 2014 12:12:36 GMT -5
UAlbany can't half fill their 5,000 seat Sefcu with their disinterested student body. So it will be a cold day in hell before we have to worry about them supplanting Siena at the TUC. I'm sure the powers that run the downtown arena reaiize that.
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Post by $cott on Aug 11, 2014 12:14:24 GMT -5
UAlbany can't half fill their 5,000 seat Sefcu with their disinterested student body. So it will be a cold day in hell before we have to worry about them supplanting Siena at the TUC. I'm sure the powers that run the downtown arena reaiize that. Not that I ever see the TUC changing but I wonder what percent of the Siena fanbase are Siena grads and what percent are just local non-Siena grads who love basketball and grew up rooting for the local team. I know I am in the latter group and suspect a lot of others are as well. So I guess the big question is in the extremely unlikely event the TUC switched allegiances and given time would the attendance flip flop or at least even out?
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Post by musicman on Aug 11, 2014 13:25:16 GMT -5
UAlbany can't half fill their 5,000 seat Sefcu with their disinterested student body. So it will be a cold day in hell before we have to worry about them supplanting Siena at the TUC. I'm sure the powers that run the downtown arena reaiize that. Not that I ever see the TUC changing but I wonder what percent of the Siena fanbase are Siena grads and what percent are just local non-Siena grads who love basketball and grew up rooting for the local team. I know I am in the latter group and suspect a lot of others are as well. So I guess the big question is in the extremely unlikely event the TUC switched allegiances and given time would the attendance flip flop or at least even out? I don't think any of us ever want to even think about going to the ARC again. The two games there to finish the tournament were interesting but I think about those cold nights going across that field years ago, and then not even be able to get in to the game. Horrible! Plus I had to drive an hour before being turned away.
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Post by drj65 on Aug 11, 2014 19:57:15 GMT -5
I loved those days win win win full house all the time
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Post by mrsiena on Aug 12, 2014 9:34:29 GMT -5
Those constant sellouts were the reason reasonable people made the permanent move downtown. Clickclack can't get it through his thick head it was both a business decision and the realization to allow everyone that wants see the game are able to attend and not be shut out.
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Post by musicman on Aug 12, 2014 10:00:07 GMT -5
Those constant sellouts were the reason reasonable people made the permanent move downtown. Clickclack can't get it through his thick head it was both a business decision and the realization to allow everyone that wants see the game are able to attend and not be shut out. exactly!
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Post by musicman on Aug 12, 2014 10:04:49 GMT -5
Not that I ever see the TUC changing but I wonder what percent of the Siena fanbase are Siena grads and what percent are just local non-Siena grads who love basketball and grew up rooting for the local team. I know I am in the latter group and suspect a lot of others are as well. So I guess the big question is in the extremely unlikely event the TUC switched allegiances and given time would the attendance flip flop or at least even out? I don't think any of us ever want to even think about going to the ARC again. The two games there to finish the tournament were interesting but I think about those cold nights going across that field years ago, and then not even be able to get in to the game. Horrible! Plus I had to drive an hour before being turned away. I am looking forward to checking out the new seats, after the renovations, at a men's scrimmage or a women's game.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 12:56:29 GMT -5
Sorry for the lengthy reply, but this is chock full of stuff to delight and anger everyone:
After the ARC renovation, Siena will not be able to host a post-season game on campus without shutting the door on a few thousand fans. So, Siena becomes more dependent on the TUC. Apparently, a Siena CBI championship game isn't enough for the TUC to break a contract with even a minor event. This is certainly a rare scenario. I don't know why I worry about it since I got on line for CBI tickets an hour early.
My opinion about what impresses recruits is rookie speculation. I'd trust PPC's perspective on this. All I'm saying is that a sizeable on-campus arena is evidence that a college is able to make a big invest in its basketball program. But, it is reassuring to know that other good programs don't own a big enough venue either.
I never said Siena would be like Fordham in terms of fan base and institutional priority. Rather, Siena's BOT would still join the A10 even if they somehow knew we could only achieve Fordham's winning percentage. I actually think we'd be middle of the road. But, if invited, I worry that Siena would make the move without first securing the investments needed to be better than a middle-of-the-road A10 team. But luckily, I don't think you get the invite without making the investments up front. So, there really is no cause for concern.
To get back on topic, I think that the A10 ticket sale increase alone would be enough to give all of Siena's D1 athletes a $5000/year stipend and double the coach's salary, which is why you make that move. But, it wouldn't be enough for us to own a 7000+ seat arena, which seems to be what the top A10 schools have. These arenas are built on the back of tuition paying students and generous alumni, not ticket sales. But, it's not just about the venue; Siena's other revenue sources really don't compare to top A10 schools. Even tiny and lowly SBU has successful $100M capital campaigns. Siena is still relatively young for a northeast college. For better or worse, Siena is very good at being cost efficient in the short term but is still learning how to raise money and make good long-term, valuable investments, which is what you need to really move up. Slowly but surely we are getting there.
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Post by IndianSaint on Aug 17, 2014 9:22:10 GMT -5
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