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Post by MTS on Aug 5, 2014 15:44:58 GMT -5
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Post by $cott on Aug 5, 2014 15:59:59 GMT -5
This is the one and only thing I was worried about so was glad to see they were denied:
"The Power 5 had sought but were denied the ability to institute more flexible policies regarding transfer eligibility. There was concern that the smaller leagues might become like a farm system for athletes to move up to the bigger ones."
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Post by hooligan on Aug 5, 2014 21:46:03 GMT -5
Interesting statement from McGlade that the A10 would probably follow suit with the big 5. If you agree to start paying a stipend to players does it mean you have to pay it for all athletes (woman and men) for all sports? Or can you pick and choose who gets the benefits? If its all then there is no way Siena can look at moving up to the A10. If you can pick and choose then we maybe able to fund it.
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Post by MTS on Aug 7, 2014 13:33:34 GMT -5
www.nytimes.com/2014/08/08/sports/ncaafootball/ncaa-votes-to-give-greater-autonomy-to-richest-conferences.html?_r=0The vote has been decided and the NCAA will grant autonomy in many areas. It can be overridden in the next 60 days by the rest of the D1 schools but it is not very likely at all. The good news is the NCAA basketball tournament will remain as it is with all D1 schools having an opportunity to compete with each other. Also the scholarship numbers will remain the same, transfer rules and game rules will stay under the NCAA which is good. The better high-major non BCS leagues and mid-major leagues will vote down the road whether they want to add in the extra stipends to their packages or not. No questions the best conferences left will do it (AAC, A10, Mountain West, MVC etc) The MAAC doing it as a whole is a big question mark. If the MAAC does it on a team to team basis it won't hurt is. I have no doubt Siena will pay the stipend. If the MAAC doesn't and bars the entire league from offering it then it becomes even more imperative we position ourselves to leave when a spot in the A10 opens up. Otherwise as mentioned before it's going to be that much tougher to compete with the A10, CAA etc for recruits. To the question above this is only for revenue sports (football and men's basketball). Siena (or anyone else) would NOT have to pay the extra stipends to the other athletes.
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Post by gorvy on Aug 7, 2014 14:07:16 GMT -5
I am pretty sure if it is basketball only the maac will mandate the stipend. If not it's curtains.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 14:44:11 GMT -5
...then it becomes even more imperative we position ourselves to leave when a spot in the A10 opens up. Otherwise as mentioned before it's going to be that much tougher to compete with the A10, CAA etc for recruits. I understand why the move to the A10 makes sense from a revenue and recruiting standpoint, but I've never understood it from a basketball and winning standpoint, especially if you like to see Siena in the NCAA Tourney. Do you think Siena could really compete in the A10, i.e., win the A10 Tourney or get an At-Large bid once every 8-10 years? I think the sad truth is that Siena's BOT would make the jump to the A10 even if they knew we'd be Fordham 2.0, i.e., very little chance of ever having a winning season. |
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Post by $cott on Aug 7, 2014 14:52:54 GMT -5
...then it becomes even more imperative we position ourselves to leave when a spot in the A10 opens up. Otherwise as mentioned before it's going to be that much tougher to compete with the A10, CAA etc for recruits. I understand why the move to the A10 makes sense from a revenue and recruiting standpoint, but I've never understood it from a basketball and winning standpoint, especially if you like to see Siena in the NCAA Tourney. Do you think Siena could really compete in the A10, i.e., win the A10 Tourney or get an At-Large bid once every 8-10 years? I think the sad truth is that Siena's BOT would make the jump to the A10 even if they knew we'd be Fordham 2.0, i.e., very little chance of ever having a winning season. Siena has the arena, attendance, and market to match the schools in the A10. What real advantage do the current A10 schools have over Siena to pitch to recruits? Nothing but the fact that they are A10. If Siena joins the A10 I see absolutely no reason they wouldn't be competitive. Maybe the NCAA appearances would drop slightly from if they were in the MAAC but when they did get to the NCAA they would have a much better chance at a good seed. The 18 game MAAC schedule is an absolute RPI killer. |
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Post by MTS on Aug 7, 2014 16:02:11 GMT -5
I understand why the move to the A10 makes sense from a revenue and recruiting standpoint, but I've never understood it from a basketball and winning standpoint, especially if you like to see Siena in the NCAA Tourney. Do you think Siena could really compete in the A10, i.e., win the A10 Tourney or get an At-Large bid once every 8-10 years? I think the sad truth is that Siena's BOT would make the jump to the A10 even if they knew we'd be Fordham 2.0, i.e., very little chance of ever having a winning season. Siena has the arena, attendance, and market to match the schools in the A10. What real advantage do the current A10 schools have over Siena to pitch to recruits? Nothing but the fact that they are A10. If Siena joins the A10 I see absolutely no reason they wouldn't be competitive. Maybe the NCAA appearances would drop slightly from if they were in the MAAC but when they did get to the NCAA they would have a much better chance at a good seed. The 18 game MAAC schedule is an absolute RPI killer. I agree with this post. As long as Siena had a good coach and increased their budget accordingly - they would not be a Fordham or Duquesne in the A10. Siena has many more resources than those programs do. Siena would generate a lot more revenue than the lower A10 teams do with the attendance the program draws. Siena would be 4th already in the A10 in attendance. And should realignment occur again two of the programs head of us (Dayton and St. Louis) would be on their way out of the league most likely. As it is now Siena has better facilities than most of the A10 already and that is before the expansion onto the ARC. At worst case I think Siena would be LaSalle or George Washington. At best I think this program can compete most years at the top of the A10. No question it is a step up but Siena has the infrastructure to be very successful in the A10. But as of now it is just talk. I don't think the chairs of conference realignment have stopped moving for a long shot though. All we can do is continue to build the program back up as strong as possible and the rest will take care of itself. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 22:37:48 GMT -5
$cott and MTS, you both make very good points. And, as the NCAA landscape changes, Siena must always be striving to move forward and up. The 800 pound gorilla that many people do not want to face is the fact that Siena's revenue hinges on a rented facility. To put things in perspective: Monmouth's and Quinnipiac's new venus each cost nearly $60M and hold only 4100 and 3570, respectively. Siena is struggling to fund a $21M renovation that will actually reduce the seating capacity of the ARC to less than 3000. Siena tried to downplay it, but a previously scheduled reptile show bumped us off our "home court" for the CBI championship. This makes you wonder what could happen if Siena's relationship with the TUC went south? Luckily, the TUC depends on Siena to stay solvent and Siena would be an even bigger draw in the A10. A move to the A10 is definitely a good one financially for all parties. But, let me revisit my point about winning in the A10: The rented TUC sure looks impressive to MAAC recruits who visit places like Rider's Alumni Gym, but how will the TUC look to A10 recruits who have offers from schools that own their custom-tailored 7600-seat arena on campus?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 15:16:29 GMT -5
The rented TUC sure looks impressive to MAAC recruits who visit places like Rider's Alumni Gym, but how will the TUC look to A10 recruits who have offers from schools that own their custom-tailored 7600-seat arena on campus? Awesome. |
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Post by SIENA1971 on Aug 8, 2014 16:29:07 GMT -5
The rented TUC sure looks impressive to MAAC recruits who visit places like Rider's Alumni Gym, but how will the TUC look to A10 recruits who have offers from schools that own their custom-tailored 7600-seat arena on campus? Awesome. If Siena gets in A10 TUC w 10k+ fans will look like awesome on steroids to recruits |
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Post by Tony on Aug 8, 2014 17:34:19 GMT -5
Siena will never be a Fordham - for one Fordham would give anything to be able to draw 10K a game – hell they would give anything to get 5k a game, they play in the oldest ‘gym” in the country. The TUC with 10K—and a 20M practice facility would put Siena among the best in the A10 when it comes to facilities – having said that currently no openings in the A10. Let’s take care of business in the MAAC, let’s get back on top of the MAAC where Siena belongs. Let’s build up attendance, improve the schedule, win MAAC championships, etc ..forget about the A10, let’s just win the MAAC!!!
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Post by gorvy on Aug 8, 2014 18:22:19 GMT -5
I think mousse does have a valid concern with the rented facility. However that will make it more imperative to join the a 10 should the opportunity arise.
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Post by Tony on Aug 8, 2014 18:57:15 GMT -5
I think mousse does have a valid concern with the rented facility. However that will make it more imperative to join the a 10 should the opportunity arise. Why? whats the concern? Siena is the TUC's primary tenant. I wonder if Providence,Georgetown , Villanova, Crieghton , Marquette among many others are concerned about being in a "rented" facility |
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Post by IndianSaint on Aug 8, 2014 19:49:02 GMT -5
The rented TUC sure looks impressive to MAAC recruits who visit places like Rider's Alumni Gym, but how will the TUC look to A10 recruits who have offers from schools that own their custom-tailored 7600-seat arena on campus? Awesome. Exactly. We always hear about new recruits saying how great their experience at the TUC during their recruiting trip. No way can a 7k on campus facility ever beat out a 15k real arena when it comes to recruiting. We just need to find a way to fill that 15k arena. Winning will help. Winning in the A-10 will help even more. |
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