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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 12:37:28 GMT -5
A case could actually be made to bench Lavon. If one of the SGs were to become a guy that you couldn't keep off the floor. It could make sense to bench him. He really makes the entire lineup unconventional. He is sometimes as much of a weakness as he is a strength. Lavon is our enforcer though. His main value often is that he just wears teams down. He runs around like a freight train and frustrates teams. He increases the team's toughness quotient. I don't see a scenario where that would make a ton of sense. Typically where we most need shooters on the floor are when we are going against a zone. Against a zone is where Lavon thrives at the high post with his ability to hit the jumper, drive and dish, or drive and score. If Lavon didn't have that aspect of his game then you could make a case that you need more shooters out there but I think he's a perfect fit at the 4 against a zone. You said it yourself....At the 4...... we're talking the SF. And if you put him at the PF....are you infringing on Bisping's time?
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Post by $cott on Jul 16, 2014 12:41:08 GMT -5
I don't see a scenario where that would make a ton of sense. Typically where we most need shooters on the floor are when we are going against a zone. Against a zone is where Lavon thrives at the high post with his ability to hit the jumper, drive and dish, or drive and score. If Lavon didn't have that aspect of his game then you could make a case that you need more shooters out there but I think he's a perfect fit at the 4 against a zone. You said it yourself....At the 4...... we're talking the SF. And if you put him at the PF....are you infringing on Bisping's time? If necessary yes but no reason that Bisping couldn't play the 5 in that situation or even play the 3 on the offensive end while Lavon is on the high post. Obviously the ideal scenario is Lavon shows up with a great 3 point shot this year and the team just gets even more flexible with guys moving around positions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 12:57:43 GMT -5
You said it yourself....At the 4...... we're talking the SF. And if you put him at the PF....are you infringing on Bisping's time? If necessary yes but no reason that Bisping couldn't play the 5 in that situation or even play the 3 on the offensive end while Lavon is on the high post. Obviously the ideal scenario is Lavon shows up with a great 3 point shot this year and the team just gets even more flexible with guys moving around positions. Yeah but then your defense is focused on the two of them drawing charges and you don't have the shotblocking presence.
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Post by Sienafan on Jul 16, 2014 14:58:57 GMT -5
I'm thinking Paige will have an opportunity if the team shoots poorly from 3 again. He appears to be a better than average 3 point shooter, so that could be his opening. I agree Brandwijk has the best opportunity for playing time - if not a starting position. It all depends on what happens in practice. If Imoh and JO stink it up in practice on the offensive end, meanwhile WB is consistently hitting his shots and playing some semblance of defense, then he gets the nod. I suspect we'll have to pick our poison there. Either we make defense/rebounding or offense a priority at the 4/5 . I suspect they don't have a single big man that offers the whole package.
The hectic substitution patterns caused by Patsos' limited amount of patience suggests just about everyone will get a shot. He'll always go with the hot hand any given night, and yank unproductive players. It may not always be the same guys. The only guys really indispensable enough to never sit for extended periods are Poole and Wright. Whatever happens, two things are evident: this team needs to shoot better and score more. I don't care what combination of who playing where makes it happen, as long as it happens.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jul 16, 2014 15:13:40 GMT -5
A case could actually be made to bench Lavon. If one of the SGs were to become a guy that you couldn't keep off the floor. It could make sense to bench him. He really makes the entire lineup unconventional. He is sometimes as much of a weakness as he is a strength. Lavon is our enforcer though. His main value often is that he just wears teams down. He runs around like a freight train and frustrates teams. He increases the team's toughness quotient. I don't see a scenario where that would make a ton of sense. Typically where we most need shooters on the floor are when we are going against a zone. Against a zone is where Lavon thrives at the high post with his ability to hit the jumper, drive and dish, or drive and score. If Lavon didn't have that aspect of his game then you could make a case that you need more shooters out there but I think he's a perfect fit at the 4 against a zone. He does that from the 3 and the 4 on offense. The difference is the defense. If he cant defend the 3 he wont play it. Simple as that. He def wouldn't start there
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jul 16, 2014 15:19:36 GMT -5
We have subs for everyone including Wright and Poole. Players that do more than one thing and play defense will log the most minutes. Poole plays alot because he plays 2-4 for example
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Post by Sienafan on Jul 16, 2014 16:40:04 GMT -5
We have subs for everyone including Wright and Poole. Players that do more than one thing and play defense will log the most minutes. Poole plays alot because he plays 2-4 for example Whoever subs for Poole or Wright will represent a significant drop-off in production at those positions. It's not just about having the bodies, it's about not having opposing teams going on runs when your starters are out. Look no further than the last 7 minutes or so of Iona game at TUC to see what happens when Wright is out for lengthy periods of time. Siena had that game won until Wright went out for good.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 16:43:15 GMT -5
We have subs for everyone including Wright and Poole. Players that do more than one thing and play defense will log the most minutes. Poole plays alot because he plays 2-4 for example Whoever subs for Poole or Wright will represent a significant drop-off in production at those positions. It's not just about having the bodies, it's about not having opposing teams going on runs when your starters are out. Look no further than the last 7 minutes or so of Iona game at TUC to see what happens when Wright is out for lengthy periods of time. Siena had that game won until Wright went out for good. Having Wright would have helped but no guarantee we would have won. We were also only in it because Hymes put up 19 points to begin with. Evan put up 42 pts in the 2 games vs Iona last year. There's no one more fun to watch get on a roll than Evan Hymes.
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Post by SaintsFan on Jul 17, 2014 6:16:31 GMT -5
Just have to get matched up against a team playing no D
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Post by Sienafan on Jul 17, 2014 9:51:22 GMT -5
Whoever subs for Poole or Wright will represent a significant drop-off in production at those positions. It's not just about having the bodies, it's about not having opposing teams going on runs when your starters are out. Look no further than the last 7 minutes or so of Iona game at TUC to see what happens when Wright is out for lengthy periods of time. Siena had that game won until Wright went out for good. Having Wright would have helped but no guarantee we would have won. We were also only in it because Hymes put up 19 points to begin with. Evan put up 42 pts in the 2 games vs Iona last year. There's no one more fun to watch get on a roll than Evan Hymes. The flip side of that is Iona lit Siena up for 15 threes. Perhaps perimeter defense is less of an issue if the 5'8 guy isn't playing 30+ minutes defending their three 6'5 guards.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 10:51:02 GMT -5
Having Wright would have helped but no guarantee we would have won. We were also only in it because Hymes put up 19 points to begin with. Evan put up 42 pts in the 2 games vs Iona last year. There's no one more fun to watch get on a roll than Evan Hymes. The flip side of that is Iona lit Siena up for 15 threes. Perhaps perimeter defense is less of an issue if the 5'8 guy isn't playing 30+ minutes defending their three 6'5 guards. They averaged 10 made threes a game on 40% shooting. It's not like that's something terribly out of the ordinary.
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Post by IndianSaint on Jul 17, 2014 12:22:11 GMT -5
50% increase over avg for made 3's is not out of the ordinary? Seems like a pretty big increase that could be considered out of the ordinary (or a match-up problem for our last yr's team). I'd like to see Iona hit 15 3s against our improved team this year. Not gonna happen.
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Post by Sienafan on Jul 17, 2014 12:32:26 GMT -5
The flip side of that is Iona lit Siena up for 15 threes. Perhaps perimeter defense is less of an issue if the 5'8 guy isn't playing 30+ minutes defending their three 6'5 guards. They averaged 10 made threes a game on 40% shooting. It's not like that's something terribly out of the ordinary. Hitting 15 instead of 10 is 50% more of those shots than normal - and that is very much out of the ordinary. And the extra 15 points from those additional 5 three pointers than normal was also a game-changing difference in a game with a 9 point final margin of victory. For such a stats guy, I'm shocked you would downplay the impact of such basic math.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 12:43:06 GMT -5
They averaged 10 made threes a game on 40% shooting. It's not like that's something terribly out of the ordinary. Hitting 15 instead of 10 is 33% more of those shots than normal - and that is very much out of the ordinary. And the extra 15 points from those additional 5 three pointers than normal was also a game-changing difference in a game with a 9 point final margin of victory. For such a stats guy, I'm shocked you would downplay the impact of such basic math. They shot threes more cause of the zone. They scored 4 more points than usual. Big deal. They were not a good matchup for us.
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Post by Sienafan on Jul 17, 2014 13:37:36 GMT -5
Hitting 15 instead of 10 is 33% more of those shots than normal - and that is very much out of the ordinary. And the extra 15 points from those additional 5 three pointers than normal was also a game-changing difference in a game with a 9 point final margin of victory. For such a stats guy, I'm shocked you would downplay the impact of such basic math. They shot threes more cause of the zone. They scored 4 more points than usual. Big deal. They were not a good matchup for us. And why were we sitting in a zone against a 40% 3 point shooting team that has little interior game? Because the personnel out there had no chance defending man to man. Siena outshot Iona in regular field goals in that game. It was the failure to defend the perimeter more than anything that cost Siena that game. That and the fact that 3 of the 5 starters didn't show up that night. Fun Fact: the bench outscored the starters 44 - 34 in that game. Iona's bench in contrast to Siena's was only good for 11 points, and 9 of those came from a guy who will now start. I think the Iona fans are underselling the effect graduation losses and an underwhelming recruiting season will have on their depth - of which they had little to begin with. One thing I like about Patsos is that if you don't produce on a given night, you quickly get the hook and someone else gets a crack at it. He doesn't keep playing with a losing hand for long. And it's good motivation for the starters to know it. This time around hopefully, there aren't as many compromises when he goes to his bench. I think we have some guys now that can defend the perimeter a little better. Yeah, it was great that Hymes put up 19 - but he was getting lit up even worse on the other end, so it was a net loss. I'm really excited to see what Paige can do. If he can defend and knock down the 3 at the same clip he did in H.S., he may be the answer to a lot of questions. Between him and Brandwijk, this team just got a lot bigger and athletic, along with a lot more potential on the offensive perimeter. And hopefully Cole is that other big 6'5 wing that comes off the bench capable of pouring in 20 any given night if we're not getting anything out of Long or Poole. The point is, with all the options this team now has somebody has to be showing up every night to replace a faltering starter or two on both the offensive and defensive side. The battle for the starting 5 spot should be interesting too. My prediction: whoever begins the season starting at the 5 will lose that spot before the season ends.
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