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Post by SIENA1971 on Jun 12, 2014 15:04:26 GMT -5
Singelais' Tweets:
All the returning Siena players are here at the ARC for offseason workouts, plus former Saints star Kenny Hasbrouck.
Siena G Ryan Oliver is the only player not practicing today. He's resting a foot injury, according to Jimmy Patsos
Siena practicing with NBA 24-second shot clock today, instead of college :35. Patsos said he's trying to keep it fun for the players.
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Post by th24 on Jun 12, 2014 15:30:54 GMT -5
Siena F Willem Brandwijk Via Mark Singelais
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jun 12, 2014 19:00:26 GMT -5
He def makes us bigger and will eventually make us better. We will find out if that will be sooner rather than later
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Post by Sienafan on Jun 12, 2014 23:40:15 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see who makes the playing group. But it won't be rocket science to determine who it will be. Whoever produces plays. Whoever doesn't will sit. I think Patsos will reliably play 10. Given the way he constantly shuffles players in and out to go with a hot hand, I'm betting a lot of guys will see time on the floor, if only at times for just a few minutes at a time.
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Post by MTS on Jun 13, 2014 13:10:28 GMT -5
Brandwijk does not look like your typical MAAC freshman physically. I don't know if he'll start but I expect him to see a decent amount of time if he is as productive as he looks to be. Brandwijk is almost 19 years old and European big men many times develop quicker than their American counterparts. Jimmy and the staff might have gotten a major steal here...don't want to put too much pressure on Willem but if he's good enough to start that's really saying something with the depth we have. Hopefully he makes the under 20 Dutch team it will only help his game! Glad he got to spend a month at Siena to get acclimated before returning to the Netherlands until he returns to Siena in August.
Looking forward to hearing about Jimmy and Cam when they arrive on Monday!
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Post by bigsaintg on Jun 13, 2014 13:14:41 GMT -5
MTS - we had a losing record in the season so we easily could have Someone come on dn start. I am psyched for a 20 win season but we need to improve a lot
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2014 14:28:50 GMT -5
MTS - we had a losing record in the season so we easily could have Simone come on dn start. I am psyched for a 20 win season but we need to improve a lot Agreed. this team is far from a finished product. While last season exceeded expectations I think its best, at least for me, to stay realistic. while winning 20 games was great, we also lost 18 and had a losing season before the CBI. As of today I look at the roster and see 4 starters, Long, Poole, Bisping and Wright. Wright is the only one guaranteed to start at the position he played last year depending on who develops the most and takes hold of the 5th starting spot. In my opinion the last spot is a battle between JO, Silas, WB and Cole. I also think Oliver is a sleeper if he makes another big jump. He was one of only 3 players with a plus A/TO ratio and led the team in 3pt fg pct. don't forget last year Patsos started Oliver, White and Hymes at the 2 the first 8 games of the season and juggled the lineup and moved Long to the 3 and Poole to the 2 when none of those players produced enough to keep the starting spot. Patsos is going to play his best 5, so if Cole is the 5th starter, Long, Poole and Bisping change positions. just my opinion and as we all know, between now and the UMASS game Patsos will probably have 20 different starting lineups and positions
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2014 14:40:33 GMT -5
Who are they?
Guard 1:
2FG%= 45.7% 3pt% = 36.0% FT% = 76.7% A/TO = 0.92 REB/40 = 5.9 Stl Rate = 1.83
Guard 2:
2FG%= 45.7% 3pt% = 36.5% FT% = 66.7% A/TO = 1.57 REB/40 = 6.3 Stl Rate = 0.84
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2014 14:43:58 GMT -5
Poole #1 and Oliver #2. that is why I feel some are overlooking Oliver a little bit. He improves some more and you can make the argument for him to start at the 2 with Poole, Long and Bisping at the 3-5. that's 3 who can hit from the perimeter
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Post by MTS on Jun 13, 2014 14:44:07 GMT -5
MTS - we had a losing record in the season so we easily could have Simone come on dn start. I am psyched for a 20 win season but we need to improve a lot Agreed. this team is far from a finished product. While last season exceeded expectations I think its best, at least for me, to stay realistic. while winning 20 games was great, we also lost 18 and had a losing season before the CBI. As of today I look at the roster and see 4 starters, Long, Poole, Bisping and Wright. Wright is the only one guaranteed to start at the position he played last year depending on who develops the most and takes hold of the 5th starting spot. In my opinion the last spot is a battle between JO, Silas, WB and Cole. I also think Oliver is a sleeper if he makes another big jump. He was one of only 3 players with a plus A/TO ratio and led the team in 3pt fg pct. don't forget last year Patsos started Oliver, White and Hymes at the 2 the first 8 games of the season and juggled the lineup and moved Long to the 3 and Poole to the 2 when none of those players produced enough to keep the starting spot. Patsos is going to play his best 5, so if Cole is the 5th starter, Long, Poole and Bisping change positions. just my opinion and as we all know, between now and the UMASS game Patsos will probably have 20 different starting lineups and positions A few counterpoints yes Siena was 15-17 before the CBI last year but we played an absolutely brutal schedule (going to the Old Spice was that team was insane) and how many close losses did we have during the year (Quinny up 9 with 3:15 to go, Marist debacle on the road, Canisius in 3OT, @ Monmouth by 4, LaSalle up 8 with 6 to go etc). With a year of experience and more familiarity with Jimmy's system the team will get better and win most of those games. We played great down the stretch going 9-2 and started to learn to win on the road (at Rider, at Quinny and at Fresno State). We were always solid at home but winning on the road will be the difference between a decent season and an outstanding season. Of course it's not a slam dunk players will get better but I'm very optimistic that Siena with this schedule win win 20 games in the regular season and seriously contend for the MAAC title. I'm not afraid of expectations - let's embrace them! Siena basketball is back! I'm not worried about who the 5th starter is...Wright, Long, Poole, Bisping, Cole and JO/Brandwijk most likely are going to be your top 6 and all play major minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2014 14:57:20 GMT -5
Agreed. this team is far from a finished product. While last season exceeded expectations I think its best, at least for me, to stay realistic. while winning 20 games was great, we also lost 18 and had a losing season before the CBI. As of today I look at the roster and see 4 starters, Long, Poole, Bisping and Wright. Wright is the only one guaranteed to start at the position he played last year depending on who develops the most and takes hold of the 5th starting spot. In my opinion the last spot is a battle between JO, Silas, WB and Cole. I also think Oliver is a sleeper if he makes another big jump. He was one of only 3 players with a plus A/TO ratio and led the team in 3pt fg pct. don't forget last year Patsos started Oliver, White and Hymes at the 2 the first 8 games of the season and juggled the lineup and moved Long to the 3 and Poole to the 2 when none of those players produced enough to keep the starting spot. Patsos is going to play his best 5, so if Cole is the 5th starter, Long, Poole and Bisping change positions. just my opinion and as we all know, between now and the UMASS game Patsos will probably have 20 different starting lineups and positions A few counterpoints yes Siena was 15-17 before the CBI last year but we played an absolutely brutal schedule (going to the Old Spice was that team was insane) and how many close losses did we have during the year (Quinny up 9 with 3:15 to go, Marist debacle on the road, Canisius in 3OT, @ Monmouth by 4, LaSalle up 8 with 6 to go etc). With a year of experience and more familiarity with Jimmy's system the team will get better and win most of those games. We played great down the stretch going 9-2 and started to learn to win on the road (at Rider, at Quinny and at Fresno State). We were always solid at home but winning on the road will be the difference between a decent season and an outstanding season. Of course it's not a slam dunk players will get better but I'm very optimistic that Siena with this schedule win win 20 games in the regular season and seriously contend for the MAAC title. I'm not afraid of expectations - let's embrace them! Siena basketball is back! I'm not worried about who the 5th starter is...Wright, Long, Poole, Bisping, Cole and JO/Brandwijk most likely are going to be your top 6 and all play major minutes. I am not afraid of expectations and agree a 20 plus win season is expected, especially with the weak OOC. My point is there is very little difference between the top 5 MAAC teams. If you look at all of them they all have 4 solid starters and are all hoping certain players develop over the summer to solidify the starting 5 and the main bench players. Siena, Manhattan, Qpac, Iona and St. Peters can finish anywhere from first to fifth depending on players to contribute who for the most part did very little last year for their respective teams. Just saying the top of the MAAC will be a little better than most think and is completely up for grabs. Your last sentence proves my point. Siena is depending on Cole to live up to his hype, JO to make a jump and WB to be able to play major minutes. Far from a certainty, just like the other predicted top MAAC teams.
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Post by MTS on Jun 13, 2014 15:09:18 GMT -5
A few counterpoints yes Siena was 15-17 before the CBI last year but we played an absolutely brutal schedule (going to the Old Spice was that team was insane) and how many close losses did we have during the year (Quinny up 9 with 3:15 to go, Marist debacle on the road, Canisius in 3OT, @ Monmouth by 4, LaSalle up 8 with 6 to go etc). With a year of experience and more familiarity with Jimmy's system the team will get better and win most of those games. We played great down the stretch going 9-2 and started to learn to win on the road (at Rider, at Quinny and at Fresno State). We were always solid at home but winning on the road will be the difference between a decent season and an outstanding season. Of course it's not a slam dunk players will get better but I'm very optimistic that Siena with this schedule win win 20 games in the regular season and seriously contend for the MAAC title. I'm not afraid of expectations - let's embrace them! Siena basketball is back! I'm not worried about who the 5th starter is...Wright, Long, Poole, Bisping, Cole and JO/Brandwijk most likely are going to be your top 6 and all play major minutes. I am not afraid of expectations and agree a 20 plus win season is expected, especially with the weak OOC. My point is there is very little difference between the top 5 MAAC teams. If you look at all of them they all have 4 solid starters and are all hoping certain players develop over the summer to solidify the starting 5 and the main bench players. Siena, Manhattan, Qpac, Iona and St. Peters can finish anywhere from first to fifth depending on players to contribute who for the most part did very little last year for their respective teams. Just saying the top of the MAAC will be a little better than most think and is completely up for grabs. Your last sentence proves my point. Siena is depending on Cole to live up to his hype, JO to make a jump and WB to be able to play major minutes. Far from a certainty, just like the other predicted top MAAC teams. While I agree there isn't a huge gap between the top 5 teams remember Iona has to replace 3/6 of their main rotation (Armand best player by far, Bowman and best defender Mike Poole). Quinnipiac lost Azotam who made Drame's life a lot easier and both Shannons. They pick up McClean who is talent but still new to the league. Manhattan loses Brown, Alvarado and by far their best player in Beamon. St. Peter's is intriguing but they finished two games behind Siena last year. They might have the fewest question marks outside of Siena. The league will be a battle next year no doubt... you could easily see two teams at 14-6 and two more at 13-7. But I think Siena has the biggest upside and fewest question marks but time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2014 15:11:24 GMT -5
I don't think we're totally dependent on Cole. I think the lineup could shift in many different ways. However, I think the top 10 guys is all but carved in stone.
There could be serious benefits to starting Cole, Oliver, or Paige. There also could potentially be serious benefits to starting Brandwijk and playing a double big pick and pop game. There is also the potential of playing Long at SF, PF, or even to bring him off the bench.
Long's fate is deeply tied to what those 4 other guys do....and I don't think you should necessarily pencil in any of them yet in a certain position.
Many write off Oliver but we know he's capable of shooting even better than he did last year. Are you ever really going to forget to play a guy that's shooting over 40% from three and takes care of the ball? And who knows what Paige is gonna do? If he comes in and he's liquid drano, he plays a lot. They both do this and it's like Cole who?
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Jun 13, 2014 15:21:10 GMT -5
Agreed. this team is far from a finished product. While last season exceeded expectations I think its best, at least for me, to stay realistic. while winning 20 games was great, we also lost 18 and had a losing season before the CBI. As of today I look at the roster and see 4 starters, Long, Poole, Bisping and Wright. Wright is the only one guaranteed to start at the position he played last year depending on who develops the most and takes hold of the 5th starting spot. In my opinion the last spot is a battle between JO, Silas, WB and Cole. I also think Oliver is a sleeper if he makes another big jump. He was one of only 3 players with a plus A/TO ratio and led the team in 3pt fg pct. don't forget last year Patsos started Oliver, White and Hymes at the 2 the first 8 games of the season and juggled the lineup and moved Long to the 3 and Poole to the 2 when none of those players produced enough to keep the starting spot. Patsos is going to play his best 5, so if Cole is the 5th starter, Long, Poole and Bisping change positions. just my opinion and as we all know, between now and the UMASS game Patsos will probably have 20 different starting lineups and positions A few counterpoints yes Siena was 15-17 before the CBI last year but we played an absolutely brutal schedule (going to the Old Spice was that team was insane) and how many close losses did we have during the year (Quinny up 9 with 3:15 to go, Marist debacle on the road, Canisius in 3OT, @ Monmouth by 4, LaSalle up 8 with 6 to go etc). While I agree with your overall point that Siena showed improvement last year and has promise, I think last year's Siena team was what their record indicated they were. You can point out these games where Siena s hould have/could have won, but don't forget about the Cornell and St. Bonaventure games that they could have/should have lost.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2014 15:28:30 GMT -5
A few counterpoints yes Siena was 15-17 before the CBI last year but we played an absolutely brutal schedule (going to the Old Spice was that team was insane) and how many close losses did we have during the year (Quinny up 9 with 3:15 to go, Marist debacle on the road, Canisius in 3OT, @ Monmouth by 4, LaSalle up 8 with 6 to go etc). While I agree with your overall point that Siena showed improvement last year and has promise, I think last year's Siena team was what their record indicated they were. You can point out these games where Siena s hould have/could have won, but don't forget about the Cornell and St. Bonaventure games that they could have/should have lost. I would agree with that except for Brett Bisping and Ryan Oliver. Brett hadn't hit his stride yet and Jimmy didn't know how to use him or Oliver. The team in November was contingent upon which Hymes showed up that day and prayed that White would make some shots. The one in April wasn't reliant on Hymes or White at all. One of the biggest things is because of Bisping, the team learned how to score from the high post. In November, they didn't even know what that was. In April, it was our best offensive play.
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