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Post by bigsaintg on Sept 27, 2015 9:57:01 GMT -5
This is the kind of thing that should be identified within MINUTES of seeing a kid play I agree, if coaches had a crystal ball. When coaches start looking at kids 3 and sometimes 4 years before they enter college, you'd assume some growth. Say a coach sees a kid that might be able to play in MAAC his Fr or So yes in HS, them blossoms. Next thing you know they're headed off to MD and had offers from multiple HMs. Lien probably looked like he could play in MAAC when first evaluated then maybe didn't get as much better as projected. Who knows. I'd only agree with your statement if coach first say kid 1-2 yrs before entering college. You totally missed his point. You can tell if a kid is an athlete in 1-2 viewings at most and if he is not atheltic move right past him. The kids that do what you decribe are alreasy atheltic and its about skill development - those are the kids you stay with longer an dhope you grab a diamond in the rough before others get him
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Post by IndianSaint on Sept 27, 2015 12:26:28 GMT -5
I agree, if coaches had a crystal ball. When coaches start looking at kids 3 and sometimes 4 years before they enter college, you'd assume some growth. Say a coach sees a kid that might be able to play in MAAC his Fr or So yes in HS, them blossoms. Next thing you know they're headed off to MD and had offers from multiple HMs. Lien probably looked like he could play in MAAC when first evaluated then maybe didn't get as much better as projected. Who knows. I'd only agree with your statement if coach first say kid 1-2 yrs before entering college. You totally missed his point. You can tell if a kid is an athlete in 1-2 viewings at most and if he is not atheltic move right past him. The kids that do what you decribe are alreasy atheltic and its about skill development - those are the kids you stay with longer an dhope you grab a diamond in the rough before others get him I didn't think I missed the point, seeing a kid once or twice 3-4 yrs before he'll play college ball; I'm not positive that the kids won't develop athletically or skill wise over those 3-4 yrs. I agree athleticism can't really be thought, but say a young and skinny Rossiter eventually got good enough to play in the MAAC and eventually have a great career. Who's to say a Lieb couldn't put the same effort in (getting stronger) to mask his lack if athleticism? Again, I don't think I missed the point. SF makes it sound like after one or two viewings 3-4 yrs early coaches should be able to tell if a kid can play at MAAC level. I don't think it's that easy. But, I'm not a coach.
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Post by bigsaintg on Sept 27, 2015 12:28:10 GMT -5
They saw him his s senior year months before graduating Hs
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Post by hoopjunkie on Sept 27, 2015 17:08:07 GMT -5
I don't think any guy over 6'7" has to be real athletic to be a good player at our level. If that were the case, kids like McCoy, Poetzsch, etc...would never have made it here.
You have to gamble on bigs at the mid-major level. From what I heard of Lieb, he was a real good shotblocker. Maybe that's why we were involved? Silas and his defensive presence are gone next year, so......
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Post by bigsaintg on Sept 27, 2015 17:22:27 GMT -5
I don't think any guy over 6'7" has to be real athletic to be a good player at our level. If that were the case, kids like McCoy, Poetzsch, etc...would never have made it here. You have to gamble on bigs at the mid-major level. From what I heard of Lieb, he was a real good shotblocker. Maybe that's why we were involved? Silas and his defensive presence are gone next year, so...... I agree on your observation of some pretty good past players so if the staff thinks he is not athletic enough he must be fairly slow
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Post by hoopjunkie on Sept 27, 2015 23:59:44 GMT -5
I don't think any guy over 6'7" has to be real athletic to be a good player at our level. If that were the case, kids like McCoy, Poetzsch, etc...would never have made it here. You have to gamble on bigs at the mid-major level. From what I heard of Lieb, he was a real good shotblocker. Maybe that's why we were involved? Silas and his defensive presence are gone next year, so...... I agree on your observation of some pretty good past players so if the staff thinks he is not athletic enough he must be fairly slow I haven't heard them say that. I also think every team needs GRUNTS. Hard workers that do the little things (take charges, set screen after screen for their teammates) help you win games. We could use one of those, even if he can't run a 4.6 40, or jump thru the roof. Again, this is for players considered "bigs," (6'7" or up). Mid majors rarely get ultra athletic big kids that can play. They go to better conferences.
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Post by musicman on Sept 28, 2015 10:25:01 GMT -5
Some of you guys speak about talent and recruiting in total absolutes. When they label and rate these kids with numbers it's very general and has limited value. I don't think Rossiter was much more than in the low 80s. And lets be truthful, I don't think any coach or fan that saw him play his freshman year would have bet money on him playing professional ball after his college career. There wasn't too much to lead the fans to believe he wasn't a recruiting mistake. There were pretty ugly comments coming out of the stands. My point is everything, including recruiting bigs, is not as black and white as you are trying to make it out to be. Particularly when speaking about the bigs. A graduating senior 17, 18, or even 19 years old is still a kid, still growing physically. And every one is different.
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Post by MTS on Sept 28, 2015 16:02:38 GMT -5
Some of you guys speak about talent and recruiting in total absolutes. When they label and rate these kids with numbers it's very general and has limited value. I don't think Rossiter was much more than in the low 80s. And lets be truthful, I don't think any coach or fan that saw him play his freshman year would have bet money on him playing professional ball after his college career. There wasn't too much to lead the fans to believe he wasn't a recruiting mistake. There were pretty ugly comments coming out of the stands. My point is everything, including recruiting bigs, is not as black and white as you are trying to make it out to be. Particularly when speaking about the bigs. A graduating senior 17, 18, or even 19 years old is still a kid, still growing physically. And every one is different. Not to toot my own horn but I said during Rossiter's freshmen year that he would be a good player for us when he got a lot stronger. I didn't think he'd eventually become a MAAC POY but you could tell he had a good skill set. Give him credit for working hard and getting stronger to get the max out of his talent. That is something the recruiting ranking sites can't predict!
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Post by SaintsFan on Sept 29, 2015 5:43:47 GMT -5
Some of you guys speak about talent and recruiting in total absolutes. When they label and rate these kids with numbers it's very general and has limited value. I don't think Rossiter was much more than in the low 80s. And lets be truthful, I don't think any coach or fan that saw him play his freshman year would have bet money on him playing professional ball after his college career. There wasn't too much to lead the fans to believe he wasn't a recruiting mistake. There were pretty ugly comments coming out of the stands. My point is everything, including recruiting bigs, is not as black and white as you are trying to make it out to be. Particularly when speaking about the bigs. A graduating senior 17, 18, or even 19 years old is still a kid, still growing physically. And every one is different. Not to toot my own horn but I said during Rossiter's freshmen year that he would be a good player for us when he got a lot stronger. I didn't think he'd eventually become a MAAC POY but you could tell he had a good skill set. Give him credit for working hard and getting stronger to get the max out of his talent. That is something the recruiting ranking sites can't predict! Youve also said plenty of things that never came to be. also, you arent the only one who had higher expectations for rossiter. Tony and I both tried to calm the waters a bit regarding rossiter being frail. I posted a picture of him posting up in a high level AAU tournament that showed he had plenty of frame to build on... along with a look at his father and brother who both had size. Rossiter had a couple of things you cant teach. He was crafty around the basket and more importantly he had a nose for the ball. The frame would come around. People just needed to have a little faith. The fact that some big boys expressed legitimate interest should have been telling.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 5:56:02 GMT -5
RyRo had a lot going for him when he was still a senior in HS. I met him and his dad at the first NJIT game and was quite impressed by him. He had the height (you can't coach that into a player, LOL!), the right genes (size and his brother was already playing at Davidson), and, a strong basketball IQ. Fran, besides looking at the obvious, looked for the BB IQ in potential recruits and it always served him well!!!
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Post by SaintsFan on Sept 30, 2015 5:44:26 GMT -5
I agree on your observation of some pretty good past players so if the staff thinks he is not athletic enough he must be fairly slow I haven't heard them say that. I also think every team needs GRUNTS. Hard workers that do the little things (take charges, set screen after screen for their teammates) help you win games. We could use one of those, even if he can't run a 4.6 40, or jump thru the roof. Again, this is for players considered "bigs," (6'7" or up). Mid majors rarely get ultra athletic big kids that can play. They go to better conferences. this team has been loaded with "grunts" that have no star talent exhibited (at this level) for five years now. (and in many cases... players that werent even grunts). This team needs a couple of MAAC level blue chippers. Im hoping that perhaps a guy like Clareth fits that mold. Judging by the overall recruiting Ive seen to date. I expect that the team still lacks the star factor. Now... someone will go on and say that you dont need that to win... blah blah... but the reality is when the game is on the line and you NEED a bucket... the go-to guy for this team is probably Bisping... and no offense to Bisping but hes more of what Siena of past would consider a "grunt".
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Post by bigsaintg on Oct 6, 2015 17:19:18 GMT -5
Darnell Rogers follows dads footsteps and goes to GW
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Post by bigsaintg on Oct 11, 2015 10:23:26 GMT -5
Dyaire Holt is at Life Prep in Kansas and just got an offer from Coppin St
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Post by IndianSaint on Oct 14, 2015 21:01:15 GMT -5
Lieb committed to Lehigh.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 2:23:40 GMT -5
Back to the drawing board...........
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