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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 6:36:14 GMT -5
I think statements like the kids would rather be "ice fishing" or "bailing hay" are unnecessary and have the hint (I'm being kind here) of being insulting. Some do like to ice fish, many more ski, work, or do community service work in their free time. I know many of them due to our time spent at Lake George and Bolton each summer. The athletes that play at the smaller schools work just as hard on their games as their city mouse cousins. Bailing hay is hard work so I doubt any would "rather" be doing that than having fun playing sports (some of those farm kids play football and they are as big and strong as their Vent/YMCA trained suburban counterparts. The reduced populations at these schools doesn't support finding a full team's worth of players at levels equivalent to those on a Colonie or Shenendehowa squad. Shen often cuts enough high quality kids to front a second competitive team at the same level. It is was it is and not the fault of the players or coaches. I can only imagine what the reaction would be to statements like the kids would rather be "smoking a joint with my bro's in the hood" or "gang banging the ho down the street" when discussing less than star quality urban kids.
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Post by gorvy on Feb 27, 2014 6:39:12 GMT -5
We need more Longs, not Winmilkcowskis.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 6:59:42 GMT -5
We need more Longs, not Winmilkcowskis. Cute! I like the "win" part. "Ski"ers are athletic and quick (depending on snow conditions of course). As to the "milkcows" part, there are not many dairy farms in the Adirondacks, let alone in and around Lake George/Bolton. The few cows that live around LG and Bolton are, by necessity, of the "side of the hill" breed that was developed in Switzerland (due to their Milk Chocolate industry and mountainous terrain). "Side of the hill" dairy cows have two shorter legs on one side to enable them to graze and live comfortably on the hillsides forming the foothills of the tall peaks. Most herds are ordered with the same orientation to simplify bringing them to and from their severely sloped pastures. Milking a "side of the hill" cow is tricky - you need a stool with one very short leg and two normal ones, you have to make sure the cow is facing the right direction and leaning on the reinforced stall wall on the short leg side, you have to milk them very quickly as they tend to fall asleep in this orientation and then, when finished, you have to quickly move to an"udder" one before she nods off. Not an easy job by any means.
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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 27, 2014 7:02:30 GMT -5
I think statements like the kids would rather be "ice fishing" or "bailing hay" are unnecessary and have the hint (I'm being kind here) of being insulting. Some do like to ice fish, many more ski, work, or do community service work in their free time. I know many of them due to our time spent at Lake George and Bolton each summer. The athletes that play at the smaller schools work just as hard on their games as their city mouse cousins. Bailing hay is hard work so I doubt any would "rather" be doing that than having fun playing sports (some of those farm kids play football and they are as big and strong as their Vent/YMCA trained suburban counterparts. The reduced populations at these schools doesn't support finding a full team's worth of players at levels equivalent to those on a Colonie or Shenendehowa squad. Shen often cuts enough high quality kids to front a second competitive team at the same level. It is was it is and not the fault of the players or coaches. I can only imagine what the reaction would be to statements like the kids would rather be "smoking a joint with my bro's in the hood" or "gang banging the ho down the street" when discussing less than star quality urban kids. Exactly. I'm not sure how or if he fits in siena plans but he's a D1 player and has a number of skills that you can't create with coaching. His teammates were pretty low skilled and plays in a rural conference. He looked a bit out of place to me. Added to this was his team missing their second best player. I think his game is really going to evolve with the city rocks not to mention look better simply because his teammates will be that much better.
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Post by Tony on Feb 27, 2014 7:11:57 GMT -5
I can only imagine what the reaction would be to statements like the kids would rather be "smoking a joint with my bro's in the hood" or "gang banging the ho down the street" when discussing less than star quality urban kids. please dont make this something it wasn't intended to be..fact is quality of play at class D schools is not good- you are right Shen could field 10 different teams that could beat lake George-- that's why any stats put up there have to be taken with grain of salt. And please dont start comparing his stats to class A players -- not fair to the class A players. right now a dozen or more local players better than JW. Anyone who took the pain to watch that entire game-- and are honest with themselves knows Joel's game is not ready for Siena
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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 27, 2014 7:24:32 GMT -5
I can only imagine what the reaction would be to statements like the kids would rather be "smoking a joint with my bro's in the hood" or "gang banging the ho down the street" when discussing less than star quality urban kids. please dont make this something it wasn't intended to be..fact is quality of play at class D schools is not good- you are right Shen could field 10 different teams that could beat lake George-- that's why any stats put up there have to be taken with grain of salt. And please dont start comparing his stats to class A players -- not fair to the class A players. right now a dozen or more local players better than JW. Anyone who took the pain to watch that entire game-- and are honest with themselves knows Joel's game is not ready for Siena Kid is a junior who's doubled and tripled playing an ugly brand of basketball with rural teammates every night but you keep trashing him.
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Post by mike on Feb 27, 2014 10:20:35 GMT -5
Wyland has Wincowski in his top 6. This summer will be key for determining what level JW reaches. Hope he stays healthy and plays well.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 27, 2014 10:44:16 GMT -5
Wyland has Wincowski in his top 6. This summer will be key for determining what level JW reaches. Hope he stays healthy and plays well. Good, then I hope he steers him to UAlbany. He was really bad last night, and it wasn't because he was double or triple teamed. He did get extra attention, and so would any kid that handles and shoots the ball 90% of the time. SF really likes this kid, without seeing him, and I'm not sure why he's going to bat so strongly for him? He's just one of many recruits we're involved with. Sure, he's local, and so was Beers (who he reminds me a lot of), but we shouldn't just take him because of that. He does have a nice stroke from deep, and I liked his defensive instincts. If he's smart, he'd play his senior year somewhere bigger, and more challenging.
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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 27, 2014 11:13:03 GMT -5
Wyland has Wincowski in his top 6. This summer will be key for determining what level JW reaches. Hope he stays healthy and plays well. Good, then I hope he steers him to UAlbany. He was really bad last night, and it wasn't because he was double or triple teamed. He did get extra attention, and so would any kid that handles and shoots the ball 90% of the time. SF really likes this kid, without seeing him, and I'm not sure why he's going to bat so strongly for him? He's just one of many recruits we're involved with. Sure, he's local, and so was Beers (who he reminds me a lot of), but we shouldn't just take him because of that. He does have a nice stroke from deep, and I liked his defensive instincts. If he's smart, he'd play his senior year somewhere bigger, and more challenging. ive seen plenty of game video. I dont need to be there in person to see him to know that hes capable of getting a D1 scholarship. Ive said numerous times that i dont know how or if he fits in Sienas plans. Ive defended him in the face of claims he isnt a D1 player. That much is obviously FALSE. You dont average 30 ppg and almost a triple double with that kind of defensive attention by accident. They really made Wincowski work last night and I still think that much like Poole he isnt a guy that should be creating for himself. In the final quarter Wincowski was obviously tired and had no legs in his shots. I see him being a Wennington type. It is going to be interesting to see which aspects of his game evolve as he makes the leap in quality of competition. Good job by him putting the team on his back with their second best player done for the year due to injury two games before. playing up a level his Senior year would go a LONG way. Send him to CBA LOL. Great coaching. Great level.
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Post by sienaoldtimer on Feb 27, 2014 12:27:14 GMT -5
Forget about the class D game what about that game at the times union truly remarkable columbia vs g land
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Post by saints22 on Feb 27, 2014 12:33:56 GMT -5
I can only imagine what the reaction would be to statements like the kids would rather be "smoking a joint with my bro's in the hood" or "gang banging the ho down the street" when discussing less than star quality urban kids. please dont make this something it wasn't intended to be..fact is quality of play at class D schools is not good- you are right Shen could field 10 different teams that could beat lake George-- that's why any stats put up there have to be taken with grain of salt. And please dont start comparing his stats to class A players -- not fair to the class A players. right now a dozen or more local players better than JW. Anyone who took the pain to watch that entire game-- and are honest with themselves knows Joel's game is not ready for Siena Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinions about this player or any other, even if those opinions are based on never having seen the player in-person. But when all is said and done, there is only one opinion that will count, and that is Jimmy P's opinion. At this point, Jimmy likes Joel a LOT. Still a lot of time left before any decisions are made, and a lot can happen in both a plus and minus fashion, so no telling what will happen, but I will repeat, Jimmy likes Joel W a LOT.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 27, 2014 13:00:29 GMT -5
please dont make this something it wasn't intended to be..fact is quality of play at class D schools is not good- you are right Shen could field 10 different teams that could beat lake George-- that's why any stats put up there have to be taken with grain of salt. And please dont start comparing his stats to class A players -- not fair to the class A players. right now a dozen or more local players better than JW. Anyone who took the pain to watch that entire game-- and are honest with themselves knows Joel's game is not ready for Siena Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinions about this player or any other, even if those opinions are based on never having seen the player in-person. But when all is said and done, there is only one opinion that will count, and that is Jimmy P's opinion. At this point, Jimmy likes Joel a LOT. Still a lot of time left before any decisions are made, and a lot can happen in both a plus and minus fashion, so no telling what will happen, but I will repeat, Jimmy likes Joel W a LOT. He may like him, but if we sign a combo guard in this years class, which seems likely, there's no spot/need for Joel. ONE scholarship available in '15 and that's gong to be needed to replace Silas, not an 8th perimeter player.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 13:21:35 GMT -5
Agree. If Patsos recruits a combo guard this year what is the need for Wincowski? Gottfried goes on scholarship in '15. isn't he the dead eye shooter? if not and a need for Wincowski in '15 is still a priority then the Gottfried scholarship is a head scratcher, especially like HJ has stated that there will only be one '15 ship available.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 14:09:27 GMT -5
We have players on our team that can’t make a foul shot. And some on here are questioning a player that is scoring 30 ppg. I don’t care what league he’s in. There are many great players from poor leagues. But it’s alright to select a player from NC that averaged 7 points last year and 12 points this year, what will he score in college? I know he plays in a tough league. If that’s the case, there must be a player on his team or in his league that we should be looking at. I’ve only watched both of these players on the internet, but there’s no question who I would take. 30 points beats 12 points in my book. The kid is a junior, his range is unbelievable, he sees the floor well, he handles the ball well and he passes well. Did I say he’s a junior? If the coach happens to select him, if he doesn’t cut it, he can sit with the kid from NC.
But JP knows more than any of us and he hasn’t selected a bad recruit yet, so whomever he selects, I will assume is the right one, until proven otherwise
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Post by $cott on Feb 27, 2014 14:15:28 GMT -5
Are we really debating that a kid is a D1 player that just lost in the sectional semifinals of Class C? I haven't seen the kid play but if he is losing in the Class C sectionals then he's not a D1 player. Any D1 kid should be able to carry a Class C team through sectionals.
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