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Post by mike on Feb 15, 2014 13:29:19 GMT -5
A lot of blame being thrown around. Truth is, on my way to the game, I got an unexpected invite to be a guest in the Marist AD's suite. So as not to be a rude guest, I ditched my Siena jacket, didn't overtly cheer for Siena during the game, and worse, moved courtside (in front of Bisping's TO) right before Hart's 3.
Folks, look no further, this one's on me. I let the team & all of us down.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 13:40:16 GMT -5
Posted by gorvyabout an hour ago Just think, imagine if that happened in an NCAA tournament game. Easy Billy, it was in jest I'm glad to hear that, although it wasn't funny. We hear those types of comments on here too often after tough losses where it's meant. Like salt in a wound. Go Saints! Too bad that you take it so seriously.
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Post by yankee on Feb 15, 2014 13:50:09 GMT -5
Beat Rider when you play them next. I would completely support that. How very selfless of you. You are a true Saints fan. We up state Ny'ers need to stick together versus those jersey fellas. That's my only reason in this case.
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Post by gorvy on Feb 15, 2014 15:18:44 GMT -5
I'm glad to hear that, although it wasn't funny. We hear those types of comments on here too often after tough losses where it's meant. Like salt in a wound. Go Saints! Too bad that you take it so seriously. Sorry so many people took your joke the wrong way. Truth is if this did happen in the NCAA tournament the fans on here myself included would be 10 times as despondent and Jimmy would probably be leaving Siena---- not by force but by choice for a job in the BCS. Fran left after a loss, so did Hewitt.
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Post by saints22 on Feb 15, 2014 15:46:36 GMT -5
I'm glad to hear that, although it wasn't funny. We hear those types of comments on here too often after tough losses where it's meant. Like salt in a wound. Go Saints! Too bad that you take it so seriously. I think that most of us did take it seriously. That's why you're getting the pushback you are. Nothing about the statement seemed funny, tongue-in-cheek, humorous....no cute little emoticon at the end. So don't be surprised that, under the circumstances, it just didn't come across as anything but a serious comment. And then siena70 follows with: "Jimmy has at least 3 more years . Siena will never fire anyone and eat more than one year of contract. I think that most of us knew that Jimmy was a mediocre coach but a good recruiter. He's relatively an "old dog" in the coaching business. Let's see if he can recruit ( no more Cam Gottfrieds!)" I don't have any idea what he has against Cam Gottfried, whom I assume he has never seen play. I know that I haven't seen him, and I'm pretty confident that 99% of the posters to this board have never seen the kid play. But a number of our expert posters don't seem to mind bashing the kid, or at least downplaying what he can bring to the team, based on nothing more than speculation, opinions posted by others (who have never seen him play), and unfailing logic that somehow or other more often than not comes out to 1+1=3. Our coaches have seen him play, and obviously think enough of him as a player to want to bring him to Loudonville. That's good enough for me. And so what if he ends up as a "role" player. Virtually all athletes on team sports are "role" players; some just have a more important or impactful role that others. Given the "you've got to win or you're gone" ultimatum that most coaches work under, why would any coach bring in someone who they did not think could help their team win? To do anything different defies logic. So, can we lighten up on the negative comments about kids who have committed to Siena, recruits and potential recruits? And how the hell did this thread get the title "choke"? That's ridiculous. Define "choke". If any athlete, in any given situation, doesn't perform or execute "properly" (as determined by who?), does that mean they choked? Nope. Don't buy it. If an athlete on an opposing team makes a good play, shouldn't we give that person credit, instead of accusing someone on "your" team of choking?
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Post by yankee on Feb 15, 2014 15:50:45 GMT -5
saints22 is correct. Marist doesn't win if Hart doesn't nail that clutch 3 with about 25 seconds to go. Marist doesn't win if Bowie doesn't make that steal and then in on motion swish a 3. Marist won this closely fought battle, it was not choked away. I remember many the siena fan saying Marist didn't choke that game many years ago when Hall missed all their free throws, that Siena won it. So, why different here?
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Post by MTS on Feb 15, 2014 16:13:13 GMT -5
saints22 is correct. Marist doesn't win if Hart doesn't nail that clutch 3 with about 25 seconds to go. Marist doesn't win if Bowie doesn't make that steal and then in on motion swish a 3. Marist won this closely fought battle, it was not choked away. I remember many the siena fan saying Marist didn't choke that game many years ago when Hall missed all their free throws, that Siena won it. So, why different here? Marist does get credit for making the plays they had too. I just re-watched the Bowie steal though and that was a HORRIBLE pass from Brett Bisping into the corner. Bowie did nothing special to steal it but he did hit a tough 3 having to pump fake with Lavon Long on him. It was a combination of Marist making some good plays and Siena opening the door for them to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 16:19:30 GMT -5
Pushback doesn't bother me peoples comments are taken out of context everyday. I guess the only reason so many of you have taken it to heart is that deep down you might agree with the statement.
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Post by boogie on Feb 15, 2014 18:13:06 GMT -5
saints22 is correct. Marist doesn't win if Hart doesn't nail that clutch 3 with about 25 seconds to go. Marist doesn't win if Bowie doesn't make that steal and then in on motion swish a 3. Marist won this closely fought battle, it was not choked away. I remember many the siena fan saying Marist didn't choke that game many years ago when Hall missed all their free throws, that Siena won it. So, why different here? We live in a society where everything has to be extreme, that's why the term"choke" was used. We simply just gave the game away As far as what is said about recruits here, I think as Siena fans we were spoiled with the quality of kids Fran got, then some of the kids Mitch brought in were flat-out embarrassing. It's made us uneasy. The quality of the recruits we bring in are so important, this current group of freshman are really good with a lot of games still to play in their Saints career.
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Post by boogie on Feb 15, 2014 18:15:12 GMT -5
Sorry Yankee, was trying to quote Saints22. Can you tell I'm rusty posting on the board?
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Post by Tony on Feb 15, 2014 20:27:17 GMT -5
Too bad that you take it so seriously. I think that most of us did take it seriously. That's why you're getting the pushback you are. Nothing about the statement seemed funny, tongue-in-cheek, humorous....no cute little emoticon at the end. So don't be surprised that, under the circumstances, it just didn't come across as anything but a serious comment. And then siena70 follows with: "Jimmy has at least 3 more years . Siena will never fire anyone and eat more than one year of contract. I think that most of us knew that Jimmy was a mediocre coach but a good recruiter. He's relatively an "old dog" in the coaching business. Let's see if he can recruit ( no more Cam Gottfrieds!)" I don't have any idea what he has against Cam Gottfried, whom I assume he has never seen play. I know that I haven't seen him, and I'm pretty confident that 99% of the posters to this board have never seen the kid play. But a number of our expert posters don't seem to mind bashing the kid, or at least downplaying what he can bring to the team, based on nothing more than speculation, opinions posted by others (who have never seen him play), and unfailing logic that somehow or other more often than not comes out to 1+1=3. Our coaches have seen him play, and obviously think enough of him as a player to want to bring him to Loudonville. That's good enough for me. And so what if he ends up as a "role" player. Virtually all athletes on team sports are "role" players; some just have a more important or impactful role that others. Given the "you've got to win or you're gone" ultimatum that most coaches work under, why would any coach bring in someone who they did not think could help their team win? To do anything different defies logic. So, can we lighten up on the negative comments about kids who have committed to Siena, recruits and potential recruits? And how the hell did this thread get the title "choke"? That's ridiculous. Define "choke". If any athlete, in any given situation, doesn't perform or execute "properly" (as determined by who?), does that mean they choked? Nope. Don't buy it. If an athlete on an opposing team makes a good play, shouldn't we give that person credit, instead of accusing someone on "your" team of choking? I think you need to lighten up—pretty sure if you asked 99% of the people that follow sports if team A is up 5 points, has a player at foul line with 21 seconds to go and ends up losing the game it would be termed a ‘choke” hopefully the coaches and the players learn from lasts night’s game- whatever you want to call it As for recruiting – please let’s not go down this road again- we heard the same exact thing when Mitch recruits were coming in- I( and others) raised the alarm on the level of the talent and if I remember correctly you objected then too—saying Mitch knew what he was doing etc I think we all agree we should wait till recruiting is over to judge this class – Paige looks to be a nice player- was perhaps under recruited— might end up a good recruit- but to be frank the rankings are not good, but most of us are willing to give Jimmy benefit of doubt As for Cam… a little more concerning the kid was seen by most D1 programs and his only offer was from Jimmy at Loyola and now Siena—sorry that raises a red flag to any independent thinker – again doesn’t mean he is bad or cant fill a role- but certainly reason for concern We should wait till recruiting is over before making a judgment and in fact might not know till next year – but this board has never blindly followed the coach- Now I am in no way saying Jimmy is doing bad or won’t make it at Siena—but Jimmy is far from infallible. Jimmy could get away with a lot of mistakes at Loyola because quite frankly nobody was watching program. This board will always be a check and balance to posters like you that blindly follow the program—and Saints 22 nothing wrong with that- just most of us on this board are not that way- we talk and speculate and I think in most cases is done tastefully
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 20:36:58 GMT -5
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 15, 2014 21:40:44 GMT -5
saints22 is correct. Marist doesn't win if Hart doesn't nail that clutch 3 with about 25 seconds to go. Marist doesn't win if Bowie doesn't make that steal and then in on motion swish a 3. Marist won this closely fought battle, it was not choked away. I remember many the siena fan saying Marist didn't choke that game many years ago when Hall missed all their free throws, that Siena won it. So, why different here? We live in a society where everything has to be extreme, that's why the term"choke" was used. We simply just gave the game away As far as what is said about recruits here, I think as Siena fans we were spoiled with the quality of kids Fran got, then some of the kids Mitch brought in were flat-out embarrassing. It's made us uneasy. The quality of the recruits we bring in are so important, this current group of freshman are really good with a lot of games still to play in their Saints career. I also attribute it to Siena fans being frustrated. Many see we're on the verge of being good again and don't like. (Or want to acknowledge set backs). It's hard, but let's stay positive and continue supporting the team (players & coaches).
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