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Post by Tony on Jan 25, 2014 17:51:57 GMT -5
He does work hard but that doesn't mean a maac champion. Some of you get so offended when is pointed out that despite a ton of effort up and down the roster they are still bottom half of the maac. Lack of talent and experience I really think it is more an experience thing for this team. Agree that overall talent doesn't match the top of the conference, but it's closer than it appears. Of course we have talent... and yes its young and inexperienced,, but dont kid yourself we are 2 or 3 players short of the top teams- now Patrick Cole will cut that gap in half. But we still need a back up point and another shooter We need help up front- Silas turns ball over too much and only can play 15 min a game or so without fouling out. Brett has worked hard - but has some serious limitations- Saints cannot play man to man D when he is in and he struggles to score and rebound against better teams- in recent 3 game stretch vs Iona and Manhattan he played starter min and avg 6 points and 2 boards a game for that 3 game stretch. Can Brett help us-- most definitely- but we really need Wolfe or JO to make sophomore jump next year and take majority of his minutes. Be honest with yourself-- do you honestly think Brett would have gotten any burn with Fran's championship teams. You want to go to top of MAAC Brett can be no more than a 5 to 10 min a game type guy Brett signed at wrong level- he is a very good player- in fact he’s be a prototypical AE big man—tough hardnosed kid that can play- can shoot the ball but limited athletically – and again I think Brett can help us in a limited role going forward—much like Josh Duell- who’s minutes diminished as Siena got more talent – same thing has to happen to Brett if Siena is to move forward
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Post by bigfan on Jan 25, 2014 18:07:50 GMT -5
I really think it is more an experience thing for this team. Agree that overall talent doesn't match the top of the conference, but it's closer than it appears. Of course we have talent... and yes its young and inexperienced,, but dont kid yourself we are 2 or 3 players short of the top teams- now Patrick Cole will cut that gap in half. But we still need a back up point and another shooter We need help up front- Silas turns ball over too much and only can play 15 min a game or so without fouling out. Brett has worked hard - but has some serious limitations- Saints cannot play man to man D when he is in and he struggles to score and rebound against better teams- in recent 3 game stretch vs Iona and Manhattan he played starter min and avg 6 points and 2 boards a game for that 3 game stretch. Can Brett help us-- most definitely- but we really need Wolfe or JO to make sophomore jump next year and take majority of his minutes. Be honest with yourself-- do you honestly think Brett would have gotten any burn with Fran's championship teams. You want to go to top of MAAC Brett can be no more than a 5 to 10 min a game type guy Brett signed at wrong level- he is a very good player- in fact he’s be a prototypical AE big man—tough hardnosed kid that can play- can shoot the ball but limited athletically – and again I think Brett can help us in a limited role going forward—much like Josh Duell- who’s minutes diminished as Siena got more talent – same thing has to happen to Brett if Siena is to move forward Disagree that Brett signed at wrong level. Totally disagree with that assessment. Don't disagree that he should be a reserve player on a team at the talent level that we all would like to see.
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Post by mike on Jan 25, 2014 20:03:44 GMT -5
If Brett works as hard in the offseason as he did this year, I suspect he'll be a solid MAAC player for us. My gut tells me he'll "significantly exceed" expectations again over the next 2 years.
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Post by CellarRat on Jan 25, 2014 20:39:09 GMT -5
I really think it is more an experience thing for this team. Agree that overall talent doesn't match the top of the conference, but it's closer than it appears. Of course we have talent... and yes its young and inexperienced,, but dont kid yourself we are 2 or 3 players short of the top teams- now Patrick Cole will cut that gap in half. But we still need a back up point and another shooter We need help up front- Silas turns ball over too much and only can play 15 min a game or so without fouling out. Brett has worked hard - but has some serious limitations- Saints cannot play man to man D when he is in and he struggles to score and rebound against better teams- in recent 3 game stretch vs Iona and Manhattan he played starter min and avg 6 points and 2 boards a game for that 3 game stretch. Can Brett help us-- most definitely- but we really need Wolfe or JO to make sophomore jump next year and take majority of his minutes. Be honest with yourself-- do you honestly think Brett would have gotten any burn with Fran's championship teams. You want to go to top of MAAC Brett can be no more than a 5 to 10 min a game type guy Brett signed at wrong level- he is a very good player- in fact he’s be a prototypical AE big man—tough hardnosed kid that can play- can shoot the ball but limited athletically – and again I think Brett can help us in a limited role going forward—much like Josh Duell- who’s minutes diminished as Siena got more talent – same thing has to happen to Brett if Siena is to move forward I'm just curious about your comments about Brett. I thought the same about RyRo before his sophomore year; the kid just kept improving. How do we know that Brett won't continue to improve? I know Brett isn't that athletic, but either was RyRo. Just curious do you think RyRo was an AE player as well?
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 25, 2014 21:02:44 GMT -5
If Brett works as hard in the offseason as he did this year, I suspect he'll be a solid MAAC player for us. My gut tells me he'll "significantly exceed" expectations again over the next 2 years. Spot on Mike. I expect he gets even better over the next 2 years. When I first saw RyRo as a freshman I was saying to myself what the hell was Fran thinking .... And how did that play out.... No offense to Tony and SF but I don't agree w/ there assessment of Brett at sll........
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Post by Tony on Jan 25, 2014 21:03:47 GMT -5
Of course we have talent... and yes its young and inexperienced,, but dont kid yourself we are 2 or 3 players short of the top teams- now Patrick Cole will cut that gap in half. But we still need a back up point and another shooter We need help up front- Silas turns ball over too much and only can play 15 min a game or so without fouling out. Brett has worked hard - but has some serious limitations- Saints cannot play man to man D when he is in and he struggles to score and rebound against better teams- in recent 3 game stretch vs Iona and Manhattan he played starter min and avg 6 points and 2 boards a game for that 3 game stretch. Can Brett help us-- most definitely- but we really need Wolfe or JO to make sophomore jump next year and take majority of his minutes. Be honest with yourself-- do you honestly think Brett would have gotten any burn with Fran's championship teams. You want to go to top of MAAC Brett can be no more than a 5 to 10 min a game type guy Brett signed at wrong level- he is a very good player- in fact he’s be a prototypical AE big man—tough hardnosed kid that can play- can shoot the ball but limited athletically – and again I think Brett can help us in a limited role going forward—much like Josh Duell- who’s minutes diminished as Siena got more talent – same thing has to happen to Brett if Siena is to move forward I'm just curious about your comments about Brett. I thought the same about RyRo before his sophomore year; the kid just kept improving. How do we know that Brett won't continue to improve? I know Brett isn't that athletic, but either was RyRo. Just curious do you think RyRo was an AE player as well? Comparing RyRo to Bisping is unfair to both players RR ran the floor extremely well..Brett is relatively slow a foot. RR was long.. Brett is not..I know a lot of you like Brett and kid works hard- he is not physically gifted.. I knew RR would be good as a freshmen- you could see he just needed to get stronger ( as did OD) Brett is now a sophomore he is slow a foot and takes all day to get his shot off... I dont want to bust any ones bubble-- all I say is if Siena wants to go to next level ( top MAAC team) Brett has to get much faster or play less. Hey if Brett can improve he will play--- currently Siena cannot play man to man with Brett in for any length of time. As a sophomore RR avg 10ppg 8 boards, 2 blocks a game shot 62% from floor and 79% from line- Siena was predominantly a man to man defensive team and he could guard his man no problem and he did this on a MAAC championship team that advanced to 2nd round of NCAA tournament
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 25, 2014 21:11:32 GMT -5
I'm just curious about your comments about Brett. I thought the same about RyRo before his sophomore year; the kid just kept improving. How do we know that Brett won't continue to improve? I know Brett isn't that athletic, but either was RyRo. Just curious do you think RyRo was an AE player as well? Comparing RyRo to Bisping is unfair to both players RR ran the floor extremely well..Brett is relatively slow a foot. RR was long.. Brett is not..I know a lot of you like Brett and kid works hard- he is not physically gifted.. I knew RR would be good as a freshmen- you could see he just needed to get stronger ( as did OD) Brett is now a sophomore he is slow a foot and takes all day to get his shot off... I dont want to bust any ones bubble-- all I say is if Siena wants to go to next level ( top MAAC team) Brett has to get much faster or play less. Hey if Brett can improve he will play--- currently Siena cannot play man to man with Brett in for any length of time. As a sophomore RR avg 10ppg 8 boards, 2 blocks a game shot 62% from floor and 79% from line- Siena was predominantly a man to man defensive team and he could guard his man no problem and he did this on a MAAC championship team that advanced to 2nd round of NCAA tournament Right now Brett is avg'ing almost 9ppg and 4 rebounds (53%fg and 76% ft) not that far off RyRo's numbers. Don't forget Brett got off to a shitty start under PW too..... He's also not as slow as you make him out to be and is more athletic then you say ......
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Post by Tony on Jan 25, 2014 21:17:44 GMT -5
Comparing RyRo to Bisping is unfair to both players RR ran the floor extremely well..Brett is relatively slow a foot. RR was long.. Brett is not..I know a lot of you like Brett and kid works hard- he is not physically gifted.. I knew RR would be good as a freshmen- you could see he just needed to get stronger ( as did OD) Brett is now a sophomore he is slow a foot and takes all day to get his shot off... I dont want to bust any ones bubble-- all I say is if Siena wants to go to next level ( top MAAC team) Brett has to get much faster or play less. Hey if Brett can improve he will play--- currently Siena cannot play man to man with Brett in for any length of time. As a sophomore RR avg 10ppg 8 boards, 2 blocks a game shot 62% from floor and 79% from line- Siena was predominantly a man to man defensive team and he could guard his man no problem and he did this on a MAAC championship team that advanced to 2nd round of NCAA tournament Right now Brett is avg'ing almost 9ppg and 4 rebounds not that far off RyRo's numbers. Don't forget Brett got off to a shitty start under PW too..... He's also not as slow as you make him out to be and is more athletic then you say ...... Please I'm going to start disregarding anything you say if you continue to compare Brett to RR..Brett is a sophomore and got dominated by Iona and Manhattan top teams in MAAC today( BTW neither as good as Niagara was in RR sophomore year) So while Bisping is putting up 2 points and 2 boards in 25 min of action vs Iona here is what RR was doing as a sophomore... dateline Monday mar 9th 2009. MAAC championship game as sophomore RR scores 16 points grabs 14 rebounds and blocks 3 shots dominating the paint for the Saints—RR totally dominates his Niagara counterpart Egemonye .. want to compare that how Brett does vs top MAAC teams Look I get you guys like Brett... but think twice before you try to compare him to best big man to ever play at Siena Understand something on the 2009 team when RR started Brett would have got less time than Priestly - if you honestly think Brett would get any burn at all on Frans teams again I cant help you
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Post by MTS on Jan 25, 2014 21:24:20 GMT -5
Got to agree with Tony... Brett plays hard and does some good things but to compare him to Rossiter is crazy. Rossiter was a top 20 all-time player at Siena. Bisping to Duell is a more apt comparison. And every good team needs a Josh Duell..nothing wrong with that.
That said he can be a solid role player over the next 2 plus years but his minutes will go down as Jimmy adds more talent.
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Post by th24 on Jan 25, 2014 21:24:27 GMT -5
If Brett works as hard in the offseason as he did this year, I suspect he'll be a solid MAAC player for us. My gut tells me he'll "significantly exceed" expectations again over the next 2 years. I totally agree!
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Post by Tony on Jan 25, 2014 21:27:47 GMT -5
If Brett works as hard in the offseason as he did this year, I suspect he'll be a solid MAAC player for us. My gut tells me he'll "significantly exceed" expectations again over the next 2 years. I totally agree! I'm not saying Brett cant play at Siena-- ... always room for a guy like Brett that plays hard,...just not 30 min a game if you want to win the MAAC -- for some reason that pisses some of you guys off-- and hey if he improves and gets quicker or can defend man to man I'm all for playing him more time if he earns it
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 25, 2014 21:28:03 GMT -5
Right now Brett is avg'ing almost 9ppg and 4 rebounds not that far off RyRo's numbers. Don't forget Brett got off to a shitty start under PW too..... He's also not as slow as you make him out to be and is more athletic then you say ...... Please I'm going to start disregarding anything you say if you continue to compare Brett to RR..Brett is a sophomore and got dominated by Iona and Manhattan top teams in MAAC today( BTW neither as good as Niagara was in RR sophomore year) So while Bisping is putting up 2 points and 2 boards in 25 min of action vs Iona here is what RR was doing as a sophomore... dateline Monday mar 9th 2009. MAAC championship game as sophomore RR scores 16 points grabs 14 rebounds and blocks 3 shots dominating the paint for the Saints—RR totally dominates his Niagara counterpart Egemonye .. want to compare that how Brett does vs top MAAC teams Look I get you guys like Brett... but think twice before you try to compare him to best big man to ever play at Siena Understand something on the 2009 team when RR started Brett would have got less time than Priestly - if you honestly think Brett would get any burn at all on Frans teams again I cant help you Don't take it so personally is he RyRo no BUT he's better then you say .... If Josh got to run Brett would gave gotten time .... josh could hardly move! And to say he would have gotten less time then Priestly is crazy! I'm just saying Brett's numbers are not that far off RyRo's and that's not bad. If he continues to improve that's very good for the team!
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Post by Tony on Jan 25, 2014 21:39:13 GMT -5
Please I'm going to start disregarding anything you say if you continue to compare Brett to RR..Brett is a sophomore and got dominated by Iona and Manhattan top teams in MAAC today( BTW neither as good as Niagara was in RR sophomore year) So while Bisping is putting up 2 points and 2 boards in 25 min of action vs Iona here is what RR was doing as a sophomore... dateline Monday mar 9th 2009. MAAC championship game as sophomore RR scores 16 points grabs 14 rebounds and blocks 3 shots dominating the paint for the Saints—RR totally dominates his Niagara counterpart Egemonye .. want to compare that how Brett does vs top MAAC teams Look I get you guys like Brett... but think twice before you try to compare him to best big man to ever play at Siena Understand something on the 2009 team when RR started Brett would have got less time than Priestly - if you honestly think Brett would get any burn at all on Frans teams again I cant help you Don't take it so personally is he RyRo no BUT he's better then you say .... If Josh got to run Brett would gave gotten time .... josh could hardly move! And to say he would have gotten less time then Priestly is crazy! I'm just saying Brett's numbers are not that far off RyRo's and that's not bad. If he continues to improve that's a very good for the team! Its a talent deal.. To compare their numbers are crazy..RR was starting center on 27 win team a round of 32 team and wasn't dominated all year ..Brett is on a sub 500 team.. you see a slight difference there? I think you forgot just how good RR was.. BTW as a sophomore RR basically turned Josh Duell into a role player-- Josh played 10 to 15 min a game that year.. Dateline Dec 28th 2008—as a sophomore RR hits 2 free throws with 2 seconds remaining lifting Siena over St Josephs –RR plays St Joe’s Ahmad Nivins, ( who later that year was second round NBA pick) to a virtual draw—holding the high flying Nivens to 15 points
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Post by indian82 on Jan 25, 2014 21:54:55 GMT -5
I really think it is more an experience thing for this team. Agree that overall talent doesn't match the top of the conference, but it's closer than it appears. Brett has worked hard - but has some serious limitations- Saints cannot play man to man D when he is in and he struggles to score and rebound against better teams- in recent 3 game stretch vs Iona and Manhattan he played starter min and avg 6 points and 2 boards a game for that 3 game stretch. Can Brett help us-- most definitely- but we really need Wolfe or JO to make sophomore jump next year and take majority of his minutes. Be honest with yourself-- do you honestly think Brett would have gotten any burn with Fran's championship teams. You want to go to top of MAAC Brett can be no more than a 5 to 10 min a game type guy Brett has had sub-par games against Iona. Must not be a good matchup for him. But he had 10 pts (3-6), 2 rebs, and 2 steals in 22 mins vs Manhattan and 17 pts (7-11), 9 rebs vs Canisius, the other leader in the conf. We'll see what he can do against Quinny twice and Man & Can again. Whether he would have done much with Fran's teams is moot. He's on this team now. (Marquise wouldn't have started either - and I love his game, so that's not a fair comparison.) I realize Brett has his limitations, but don't underestimate what he can do for this team. (I say that as a Buff Bills fan who's watched Fred Jackson come from D-III Coe College and performed as well as, if not better, than much higher-rated names as Marshawn Lynch and C.J. Spiller. And still performing at a high level at 32 yo! Got to get my Bills commercial in )
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Post by Tony on Jan 25, 2014 22:05:35 GMT -5
I'm not underestimating him-- you guys are over estimating him ..On a MAAC championship type team Brett is a role player at best a guy that can give you 10 to 15 min on a good night.. and while you are throwing up your numbers.. you think 2 rebounds in 22 min is good ..watch both sides of the ball against Jaspers he was dominated by Jaspers big men-- Brett couldn't guard them .. I'm not blaming the Year on Brett-- but do yourself a favor start watching the defensive side of the ball. Watch the players running down the court. RR used to grab the rebound and still be one of first players down the court- tell me how often you see that with Brett. Bisping can help- he can score some points and can hit an open shot- he is for the most part a defensive liability. next year it wont be as much a s issue as I doubt we see Brett play much 4- he is too slow for that. Brett is a role player and why you guys are even arguing this is beyond me.. probably the same guys that will complain next ass kicking we take I do get you guys like Brett-- so I'm done with this topic for now -- and I could be wrong on Brett-- but as As they say I doubt it
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