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Post by mike on Jan 25, 2014 12:39:29 GMT -5
Cole playing the PG weakens us at the 2 and 3. We need our players in the best position to make them effective and successful Only in the event of losing Wright for an extended period of time. In short runs, changing up our look with Pat at the point could even help, not hurt. If Wolfe & White develop, we'll still have a really solid core of Poole, Long, Wolfe, White, & Hymes for 2-4 spots...the cupboard isn't exactly bare.
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Post by Tony on Jan 25, 2014 12:54:37 GMT -5
Situation: I'd much rather land 6-4 to 6-7 sniper and lock down defender for 2014. But that's just me. Just out of curiosity where would you play this 6-4 to 6'7" freshmen sniper? Ahead of Poole- Cole? why would it be any easier to land a 6'4" to 6"7" sniper than a PG? Listen if we want to compete for top of conference team has to get more talent-- just ask Patsos he will tell you-- so if we are adding players for the life of me cant understand why you would want to land a 6'4 to 6'7" kid ( didn't we just get a verbal from Paige?) when we already have Poole- Cole- Paige - Oliver- Audu in that size range- the team has a glaring weakness of no back up Point guard-- again did you watch Iona game what happened when Wright fouled out..Patrick Cole is a very good player-- he is however not a point guard
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Post by Tony on Jan 25, 2014 12:58:22 GMT -5
and I should add I realize it will be tough to land a quality pg like Taplin ( rated 39th best pg in country by ESPN) or any other quality PG.. but damn man you have to try..if you can't then I agree dont waste a scholarship and we very well might have to go with Hymes or Cole as back up PG... just cant see why that would be our first choice when we need to add talent anyway
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 25, 2014 13:13:14 GMT -5
As of now Bisping is playing much better than Long. At the rate Long fouls I'd have him coming off the bench. Between Longs foul issues, his inability or struggles with man D and the fact that at times I don't even notice he's on the floor/kind of disappears makes me lean toward Brett. Long has to up his motor and control fouling, he's still a freshman I have confidence that he'll get much better especially if he's played in the 4 slot where he can utilize his ability to score from the inside. Defensively it isn't close. Long is far more capable and generally gets a tougher assignment. Bisping is enjoying being the fifth option every time he's on the floor. Long is always second option behind Poole and if Poole is out, the offense often tries to run through long. I like the effort bisping is bringing but comparing the two isn't fair to long and the attention he draws from opponents... As a freshman Gotta disagree Long is invisible for long stretches and the O is not running through him all the time. He's scoring some... Some on put backs and the rest on nice moves in the paint going to the hoop. He is also a very good passer out of the post but watch him close. fouls have him on the bench for long stretches, he's fouling because you cant play him man on anybody quick. Brett does the dirty work he's an inside outside scoring threat and is tough as nails. He's an ok post defender but can't guard the perimeter .... Long is a better defender but he can't play D without fouling at least no so far ... Been in foull trouble almost every game I've seen if that doesn't change he's heading for a so so run while a Saint! It's perfectly fair to compare them..... Look at the improvement Brett has made under 1/2 yr w: JP I expect that to continue. Most improved player on this roster by far.
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Post by mike on Jan 25, 2014 13:34:07 GMT -5
Situation: I'd much rather land 6-4 to 6-7 sniper and lock down defender for 2014. But that's just me. Just out of curiosity where would you play this 6-4 to 6'7" freshmen sniper? Ahead of Poole- Cole? why would it be any easier to land a 6'4" to 6"7" sniper than a PG? Listen if we want to compete for top of conference team has to get more talent-- just ask Patsos he will tell you-- so if we are adding players for the life of me cant understand why you would want to land a 6'4 to 6'7" kid ( didn't we just get a verbal from Paige?) when we already have Poole- Cole- Paige - Oliver- Audu in that size range- the team has a glaring weakness of no back up Point guard-- again did you watch Iona game what happened when Wright fouled out..Patrick Cole is a very good player-- he is however not a point guard First - whoever we recruit is a freshman so my expectations are appropriately limited. I would hope to land someone more helpful than Oliver & Audu, and who can challenge Hymes & White for minutes next yr and take some of Poole's minutes as a Soph. We need Wright, a solid post player & lots of 6-4 - 6-7 guys than can shoot, defend, & rebound. Right now, we need shooters.
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Post by billmurray on Jan 25, 2014 13:39:51 GMT -5
That is why many want Taplin or a Taplin-like player. A shooter who can play the 2, but be able back up the point. The best of both worlds. Would a 6'4' - 6'7" 2 with the ability to ably back up the point be better, sure, but we have to be somewhat grounded and not delusional, rarely will a Prosper Karangwa end up at Siena.
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Post by Tony on Jan 25, 2014 13:47:51 GMT -5
That is why many want Taplin or a Taplin-like player. A shooter who can play the 2, but be able back up the point. The best of both worlds. Would a 6'4' - 6'7" 2 with the ability to ably back up the point be better, sure, but we have to be somewhat grounded and not delusional, rarely will a Prosper Karangwa end up at Siena. This post is dead on... hey if we can get a PK--I'm all for it.. of the kids we are now recruiting Taplin seems to fit the bill better than any unspecified 2/3... I have however heard rumor that Siena is recruiting a stud kid that can play 3 and 4.. love to have him and Taplin
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Post by siena12077 on Jan 25, 2014 13:58:35 GMT -5
As of now Bisping is playing much better than Long. At the rate Long fouls I'd have him coming off the bench. Between Longs foul issues, his inability or struggles with man D and the fact that at times I don't even notice he's on the floor/kind of disappears makes me lean toward Brett. Long has to up his motor and control fouling, he's still a freshman I have confidence that he'll get much better especially if he's played in the 4 slot where he can utilize his ability to score from the inside. Defensively it isn't close. Long is far more capable and generally gets a tougher assignment. Bisping is enjoying being the fifth option every time he's on the floor. Long is always second option behind Poole and if Poole is out, the offense often tries to run through long. I like the effort bisping is bringing but comparing the two isn't fair to long and the attention he draws from opponents... As a freshman Bisping is never the 5th option on offense for this team. They post him up an awful lot during the game and actually pass it in to him. More than any other big on the team. I know he's not considered a feature player but I wouldn't make it seem like he's a last resort option. He's a viable 3rd option right now on offense
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Post by mrsiena on Jan 25, 2014 14:22:49 GMT -5
I disagree that Brett is the most improved player this year when Mitch didn't give him or RO sufficient playing time last year to exhibit their abilities. I foresee Brett having a career like Cantamessa, outside sniper, and Duell and Buhrman, both could hit the 3 ball, taking charges and rebounding. In Ryan's case I see him in Greg Manning's role at Loyola as Jimmy's 3 pt. sniper off the bench. As I see it Ryan has a conscious mindset not to come into the game and start jacking up shots immediately.
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Post by mike on Jan 25, 2014 14:39:29 GMT -5
I'm not down on Taplin, I just don't see him as a critical get. I'd rather have experienced guys running the point in 2014 (fingers crossed it's Wright all year) and get bigger. Patsos' gang rebounding style places a premium on height & athleticism.
If we sign him & he can shoot it from 3, I'm sure we'll find minutes for him.
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 25, 2014 15:34:32 GMT -5
Defensively it isn't close. Long is far more capable and generally gets a tougher assignment. Bisping is enjoying being the fifth option every time he's on the floor. Long is always second option behind Poole and if Poole is out, the offense often tries to run through long. I like the effort bisping is bringing but comparing the two isn't fair to long and the attention he draws from opponents... As a freshman Bisping is never the 5th option on offense for this team. They post him up an awful lot during the game and actually pass it in to him. More than any other big on the team. I know he's not considered a feature player but I wouldn't make it seem like he's a last resort option. He's a viable 3rd option right now on offense Against chappy teams like St Peters they can get away with that. Against the top half of the maac hes struggled. Because it worked against St Peters and maybe Marist without Kemp doesn't mean it's a smart choice
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 25, 2014 15:50:35 GMT -5
Bisping is never the 5th option on offense for this team. They post him up an awful lot during the game and actually pass it in to him. More than any other big on the team. I know he's not considered a feature player but I wouldn't make it seem like he's a last resort option. He's a viable 3rd option right now on offense Against chappy teams like St Peters they can get away with that. Against the top half of the maac hes struggled. Because it worked against St Peters and maybe Marist without Kemp doesn't mean it's a smart choice Against the top teams they all struggled in way or another that's why we got smoked. Give Brett some love will ya! The kids worked his ass off!
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 25, 2014 17:16:27 GMT -5
Against chappy teams like St Peters they can get away with that. Against the top half of the maac hes struggled. Because it worked against St Peters and maybe Marist without Kemp doesn't mean it's a smart choice Against the top teams they all struggled in way or another that's why we got smoked. Give Brett some love will ya! The kids worked his ass off! He does work hard but that doesn't mean a maac champion. Some of you get so offended when is pointed out that despite a ton of effort up and down the roster they are still bottom half of the maac. Lack of talent and experience
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Post by th24 on Jan 25, 2014 17:27:27 GMT -5
Brett does have talent!
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Post by bigfan on Jan 25, 2014 17:40:43 GMT -5
Against the top teams they all struggled in way or another that's why we got smoked. Give Brett some love will ya! The kids worked his ass off! He does work hard but that doesn't mean a maac champion. Some of you get so offended when is pointed out that despite a ton of effort up and down the roster they are still bottom half of the maac. Lack of talent and experience I really think it is more an experience thing for this team. Agree that overall talent doesn't match the top of the conference, but it's closer than it appears.
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