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Post by Tony on Jan 24, 2014 17:38:41 GMT -5
@ nolasaint yes, the same thing was said of Ron, but Chris Delarosa would have been the second or third best player to back him up as a PG. We had Kenny and Edwin with ball handling skills, then Kyle Downey. Trouble is, Ron and Quis were and are that good, so everyone else becomes relative to their skill set and composure. as for Wincowski, there isn't anyone in the league he plays in that could even begin to challenge him. Makes me very uneasy that it could be what we scientifically call 'inflated data'. Nothing personal, but winning games 70 something to under 20 something leaves me smh. I don't believe we will need another 1-3 guard in the 2015 class, because I don't think recruiting is over for 2014...but as I have been told, I don't know 'nuthin. Agreed. I am still waiting for the few that think the pieces are already here to name them if Wright were to miss any extended amount of games. This team can contend for top 3-4 next year just with the addition of Paige, which I do not believe will be the only new recruit. So please tell me what players split the PG job in a worst case scenario ? and why would you sacrifice even a couple of losses that can ruin a season by not trying to secure a combo guard like Taplin that can spell Wright and hopefully along with Paige help in the main weakness of the team which is 3pt shooting. Easy answer if you can get a player like Taplin or player like him you jump on him. If Jimmy was getting one player-- and nothing against him but... Paige would not be him- he is 7th scholarship player that plays the 2/3 that will be on team next year. Jimmy is many things but stupid does not come to mind. Siena may or may not land taplin- but rest assured Taplin or a player like him will be in this recruiting class
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Post by greenblood on Jan 24, 2014 17:46:07 GMT -5
You guys have selective memory. Hasbrouck struggled mightily when he was asked to back up the point and it affected him as the 2g. The offense was stagnant for the most part when Moore took a breather. The ended up playing a lot of 1 on 1, with Ubiles and Franklin trying to break down their men with the dribble. That was why Moore played 33 minutes per game for his career including 36 minutes a game as a senior. (And that was on a bunch of teams that blew other teams out) You recruit need first, depth second. The need, right now, is for shooting. Depth would be great at the PG position but Cole is thought to be the answer. As for Winkowski, he was a 6'2" soph that was named Mr. Basketball ... yes the competition might not be all that good but get him on a high end AAU team and see what he can do. How big will he be by his Senior season? My guess is that if he doesn't go to Siena he'll be the one that got away in a couple of years. Didn't Fredette and Van Schiak play in the same league? Wasnt Knapp from a similar sized school? Closer to home, greenblood, there were a lot who said the competition in Canada was too weak and Proper was a risk. Just my opinions. I agree with you, especially the part about getting him on a high end AAU team - I have said repeatedly that I would like to see that. I'm not saying a start can't come from a small school, but didn't Fredette and Van Schaik (sorry spelling) play UP in AAU? And yes, PK was a risk but thankfully for me the best one Siena ever took
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Post by Tony on Jan 24, 2014 17:58:19 GMT -5
You guys have selective memory. Hasbrouck struggled mightily when he was asked to back up the point and it affected him as the 2g. The offense was stagnant for the most part when Moore took a breather. The ended up playing a lot of 1 on 1, with Ubiles and Franklin trying to break down their men with the dribble. That was why Moore played 33 minutes per game for his career including 36 minutes a game as a senior. (And that was on a bunch of teams that blew other teams out) You recruit need first, depth second. The need, right now, is for shooting. Depth would be great at the PG position but Cole is thought to be the answer. As for Winkowski, he was a 6'2" soph that was named Mr. Basketball ... yes the competition might not be all that good but get him on a high end AAU team and see what he can do. How big will he be by his Senior season? My guess is that if he doesn't go to Siena he'll be the one that got away in a couple of years. Didn't Fredette and Van Schiak play in the same league? Wasnt Knapp from a similar sized school? Closer to home, greenblood, there were a lot who said the competition in Canada was too weak and Proper was a risk. Just my opinions. All good points but several differences - 1st and foremost Fran already was established had gone to NCAA's at Siena and had 4 MAAC all stars at other positions-Quackman could have played PG on that team and Siena would have still won. Jimmy is not established at Siena- will more than likely have a losing season this year- Siena and Jimmy cannot afford another losing season next year. Siena breaks ground in the spring on a 20 million dollar upgrade of facilities and has lofty goals for increased men's budget- hard to do that if you continue to post losing seasons.
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Post by Quackman on Jan 24, 2014 18:11:17 GMT -5
You guys have selective memory. Hasbrouck struggled mightily when he was asked to back up the point and it affected him as the 2g. The offense was stagnant for the most part when Moore took a breather. The ended up playing a lot of 1 on 1, with Ubiles and Franklin trying to break down their men with the dribble. That was why Moore played 33 minutes per game for his career including 36 minutes a game as a senior. (And that was on a bunch of teams that blew other teams out) You recruit need first, depth second. The need, right now, is for shooting. Depth would be great at the PG position but Cole is thought to be the answer. As for Winkowski, he was a 6'2" soph that was named Mr. Basketball ... yes the competition might not be all that good but get him on a high end AAU team and see what he can do. How big will he be by his Senior season? My guess is that if he doesn't go to Siena he'll be the one that got away in a couple of years. Didn't Fredette and Van Schiak play in the same league? Wasnt Knapp from a similar sized school? Closer to home, greenblood, there were a lot who said the competition in Canada was too weak and Proper was a risk. Just my opinions. All good points but several differences - 1st and foremost Fran already was established had gone to NCAA's at Siena and had 4 MAAC all stars at other positions-Quackman could have played PG on that team and Siena would have still won. Jimmy is not established at Siena- will more than likely have a losing season this year- Siena and Jimmy cannot afford another losing season next year. Siena breaks ground in the spring on a 20 million dollar upgrade of facilities and has lofty goals for increased men's budget- hard to do that if you continue to post losing seasons. Fair enough, though I would be much better on the wing shooting the 3.
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Post by Quackman on Jan 24, 2014 18:11:57 GMT -5
You guys have selective memory. Hasbrouck struggled mightily when he was asked to back up the point and it affected him as the 2g. The offense was stagnant for the most part when Moore took a breather. The ended up playing a lot of 1 on 1, with Ubiles and Franklin trying to break down their men with the dribble. That was why Moore played 33 minutes per game for his career including 36 minutes a game as a senior. (And that was on a bunch of teams that blew other teams out) You recruit need first, depth second. The need, right now, is for shooting. Depth would be great at the PG position but Cole is thought to be the answer. As for Winkowski, he was a 6'2" soph that was named Mr. Basketball ... yes the competition might not be all that good but get him on a high end AAU team and see what he can do. How big will he be by his Senior season? My guess is that if he doesn't go to Siena he'll be the one that got away in a couple of years. Didn't Fredette and Van Schiak play in the same league? Wasnt Knapp from a similar sized school? Closer to home, greenblood, there were a lot who said the competition in Canada was too weak and Proper was a risk. Just my opinions. I agree with you, especially the part about getting him on a high end AAU team - I have said repeatedly that I would like to see that. I'm not saying a start can't come from a small school, but didn't Fredette and Van Schaik (sorry spelling) play UP in AAU? And yes, PK was a risk but thankfully for me the best one Siena ever took He remains one of my favorite Saints.
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 24, 2014 19:48:57 GMT -5
I agree with you, especially the part about getting him on a high end AAU team - I have said repeatedly that I would like to see that. I'm not saying a start can't come from a small school, but didn't Fredette and Van Schaik (sorry spelling) play UP in AAU? And yes, PK was a risk but thankfully for me the best one Siena ever took He remains one of my favorite Saints. Karangwa was a risk. He also took a few years to develop. White actually has better numbers aside from fg% than prosper did and is more like prospers sophomore year. Prosper never really shot the ball well. He was Def a game changer as a pg at 6'7" He was definitely one of those players you wished Siena had one more year.
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Post by Quackman on Jan 24, 2014 20:05:02 GMT -5
3 coaches in 3 years is difficult to deal with. Under Fran, he would have been an Siena all time great.
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Post by th24 on Jan 24, 2014 20:23:05 GMT -5
Last night (towards the end) it seemed that Oliver was playing a little pg? Jimmy trying something new?!
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 24, 2014 20:35:22 GMT -5
Last night (towards the end) it seemed that Oliver was playing a little pg? Jimmy trying something new?! No. Oliver is not a pg no way no how PERIOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let the the Taplin thing play out we may get lucky.
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 24, 2014 20:41:25 GMT -5
You guys have selective memory. Hasbrouck struggled mightily when he was asked to back up the point and it affected him as the 2g. The offense was stagnant for the most part when Moore took a breather. The ended up playing a lot of 1 on 1, with Ubiles and Franklin trying to break down their men with the dribble. That was why Moore played 33 minutes per game for his career including 36 minutes a game as a senior. (And that was on a bunch of teams that blew other teams out) You recruit need first, depth second. The need, right now, is for shooting. Depth would be great at the PG position but Cole is thought to be the answer. As for Winkowski, he was a 6'2" soph that was named Mr. Basketball ... yes the competition might not be all that good but get him on a high end AAU team and see what he can do. How big will he be by his Senior season? My guess is that if he doesn't go to Siena he'll be the one that got away in a couple of years. Didn't Fredette and Van Schiak play in the same league? Wasnt Knapp from a similar sized school? Closer to home, greenblood, there were a lot who said the competition in Canada was too weak and Proper was a risk. Just my opinions. Sorry Nosaint I just don't see JW ( a kid who puts up nice numbers against Class D players and in a so so AAU program) as worth the risk. Too many good players out there to roll the dice. I've seen the kid play a few times. I don't see it ..... Good player but A10 no..... If he was putting up numbers and was at at CBA or AA or Rocks that's another thing but most of his comp is just awful,
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Post by hockeyguy on Jan 24, 2014 21:57:34 GMT -5
Just my opinion but I would not confuse having "ball handling skills" with being an effective D1 PG (back-up or otherwise) anymore than I would confuse a kid who can throw a baseball 90 mph with a major league pitcher or a kid who can heave a football 65 yards with a BCS quarterback. There is just a little more to the job than "ball handling skills". If being an effective back-up PG is this kids "2nd job" he better be more than a just barely qualifier, esp if playing in a complex offense. Not saying that is the case with Taplin but someone alluded to, here or in another thread, about retaking the SAT's to qualify. The best route may be to let another year pass to put some space between Wright and a true PG recruit and take their chances that he stays healthy, and if not, give the ball back to Evan.
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Post by Quackman on Jan 24, 2014 23:10:57 GMT -5
You guys have selective memory. Hasbrouck struggled mightily when he was asked to back up the point and it affected him as the 2g. The offense was stagnant for the most part when Moore took a breather. The ended up playing a lot of 1 on 1, with Ubiles and Franklin trying to break down their men with the dribble. That was why Moore played 33 minutes per game for his career including 36 minutes a game as a senior. (And that was on a bunch of teams that blew other teams out) You recruit need first, depth second. The need, right now, is for shooting. Depth would be great at the PG position but Cole is thought to be the answer. As for Winkowski, he was a 6'2" soph that was named Mr. Basketball ... yes the competition might not be all that good but get him on a high end AAU team and see what he can do. How big will he be by his Senior season? My guess is that if he doesn't go to Siena he'll be the one that got away in a couple of years. Didn't Fredette and Van Schiak play in the same league? Wasnt Knapp from a similar sized school? Closer to home, greenblood, there were a lot who said the competition in Canada was too weak and Proper was a risk. Just my opinions. Sorry Nosaint I just don't see JW ( a kid who puts up nice numbers against Class D players and in a so so AAU program) as worth the risk. Too many good players out there to roll the dice. I've seen the kid play a few times. I don't see it ..... Good player but A10 no..... If he was putting up numbers and was at at CBA or AA or Rocks that's another thing but most of his comp is just awful, We'll see but don't forget he put those numbers up last year as a sophomore.
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Post by mike on Jan 25, 2014 0:12:09 GMT -5
For those in the know, who's been running the point for the "B" team in practice for the past 3 months?
Is it safe to assume the "B" team is typically JO, Wolfe, Oliver, Hymes & Cole?
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Post by siena12077 on Jan 25, 2014 0:25:07 GMT -5
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jan 25, 2014 0:26:11 GMT -5
For those in the know, who's been running the point for the "B" team in practice for the past 3 months? Is it safe to assume the "B" team is typically JO, Wolfe, Oliver, Hymes & Cole? Good question
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