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Post by Tony on Feb 8, 2014 5:15:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2014 5:44:17 GMT -5
The weaknesses are being exploited...... One of which is the coaches temper.
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Post by Tony on Feb 8, 2014 6:00:29 GMT -5
The weaknesses are being exploited...... One of which is the coaches temper. Let me say this about that—this Siena team has a lot of holes— and we are young. But what we have is a team that plays ‘hard” for Jimmy—and hey that only goes so far eventually you have to have the “talent” to compete ..but anyway Jimmy has them playing hard- kind of hard to turn the “switch” off.. very frustrating to say the least. Jimmy’s teams always fouled too much but it was within reason, with new rules, well we are one of the top fouling teams in country and how many times can we listen to Jimmy say kids have to learn how to play with 4 fouls. The discipline has to come from the coach at some point, I know we are young but we make more stupid obvious fouls than any Siena team I have ever watched -- unless its addressed team will make a quick exit in Springfield
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2014 6:29:05 GMT -5
If St Peters can shut down Poole and Hymes other teams can too. There's a lot of tape out there, I don't expect games to get any easier against the teams with bad records. Marist Fairfield and Monmouth aren't "gimme's".
Things could get ugly, quickly, we'll see Monday.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2014 7:03:19 GMT -5
One thing that troubles me is Jimmy's apparent double standard - he yanks the leash on one undisciplined play by any of the kids, even if they make one or more very good plays on the ensuing possessions before there is a stoppage and the sub happens. He, on the other hand is totally undisciplined on the sidelines - sort of his schtick and, at times, hard to say who it is being directed at, e.g., the walk-ons, the coaches, the crowd OR the officials. I believe Siena is paying him to COACH the team and not run around screaming, throwing stuff, tearing up game stats, walking behind the bench (I predict a sit down in the stands soon!) OR sitting in the lockerroom while the game continues. I was at the game and there were a couple of other times that he was clearly baiting the officials, was strongly warned and then retreated to the huddle while Greg COACHED the on-the-floor kids! The T that got him tossed was not a "run out waving and screaming" coach's tirade - he said something to the official as the official was trotting down the sidelines - T was called instantly, so I can only conclude he wanted it. If he's working on the kid's fouling issues it's not obvious in any way shape or form. Freshmen often make a dumb play and then try and resurrect themselves with an even dumber play that more often than not is a foul. Jimmy may be a freshman at Siena but he shouldn't be compounding an official's call with a chance for them to make another more costly call! Our team has established a "prone to foul personna" and we are doing everything to keep it going.
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Post by onionsbaby on Feb 8, 2014 8:57:53 GMT -5
I think Patsos needs to scream less and coach more on the road. These guys seem to lack any confidence on the road. The quick hooks, screaming and hostile crowds have these guys playing tentative and over thinking.St Pete's and Monmouth had about 400 fans combined but they still played horribly both games... Can someone teach these guys to stay aggressive on D without committing so many fouls???
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Post by gosaints on Feb 8, 2014 8:59:56 GMT -5
This is the second game in a row where Jimmy's "T's" may have possibly cost Siena the game. Last night his second "T" came when the Saints where only trailing by 4, 50 to 46 with a little under 5 minutes left in the game. You have to wonder why a coach would intentionally get the ref to call a "T", put the other team on the line for 2 foul shots and then give them the ball in a close game like this? Especially when his team still has a very good cahnce to pull out a much needed road win. Could it be that actions like this are partly the cause of some of the "dumb" fouls Siena picks up during the game(s)?
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 8, 2014 11:41:59 GMT -5
If St Peters can shut down Poole and Hymes other teams can too. There's a lot of tape out there, I don't expect games to get any easier against the teams with bad records. Marist Fairfield and Monmouth aren't "gimme's". Things could get ugly, quickly, we'll see Monday. I'm not so sure other teams have the capability of playing the defense needed to shut down Poole & Hymes. SPU is a better defensive team than a Niagara, Iona, FF, etc. Give SPU credit they play tough & physical. So did Quinny. We'll be fine. Like Tony said we are very young. Only Poole & Hymes had any significant D1 experience playing the last couple yrs. everyone else is still learning & gaining D1 experience. Just look at Oliver last night. He's finally showing what he can do. He didn't get the opportunity the past season & a half. We are VERY YOUNG. The better times are right around the corner. Hopefully as soon as March but no later than next Jan-Feb.
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Post by greenblood on Feb 8, 2014 12:02:02 GMT -5
If St Peters can shut down Poole and Hymes other teams can too. There's a lot of tape out there, I don't expect games to get any easier against the teams with bad records. Marist Fairfield and Monmouth aren't "gimme's". Things could get ugly, quickly, we'll see Monday. I'm not so sure other teams have the capability of playing the defense needed to shut down Poole & Hymes. SPU is a better defensive team than a Niagara, Iona, FF, etc. Give SPU credit they play tough & physical. So did Quinny. We'll be fine. Like Tony said we are very young. Only Poole & Hymes had any significant D1 experience playing the last couple yrs. everyone else is still learning & gaining D1 experience. Just look at Oliver last night. He's finally showing what he can do. He didn't get the opportunity the past season & a half. We are VERY YOUNG. The better times are right around the corner. Hopefully as soon as March but no later than next Jan-Feb. That whole young thing.....not buying it so much 25 games into the season. Not having a back up PG hurts, but not bringing your game to compete just kills me. We can't complain about fouls if we continue to commit them. In 11/25 games we equaled or fouled LESS than our opponent and won 10 of the 11 of those games - the one loss was the Canisius shoot out in Buffalo..
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 8, 2014 12:33:45 GMT -5
I'm not so sure other teams have the capability of playing the defense needed to shut down Poole & Hymes. SPU is a better defensive team than a Niagara, Iona, FF, etc. Give SPU credit they play tough & physical. So did Quinny. We'll be fine. Like Tony said we are very young. Only Poole & Hymes had any significant D1 experience playing the last couple yrs. everyone else is still learning & gaining D1 experience. Just look at Oliver last night. He's finally showing what he can do. He didn't get the opportunity the past season & a half. We are VERY YOUNG. The better times are right around the corner. Hopefully as soon as March but no later than next Jan-Feb. That whole young thing.....not buying it so much 25 games into the season. Not having a back up PG hurts, but not bringing your game to compete just kills me. We can't complain about fouls if we continue to commit them. In 11/25 games we equaled or fouled LESS than our opponent and won 10 of the 11 of those games - the one loss was the Canisius shoot out in Buffalo.. Don't disagree that we need a back-up PG and still committing too many fouls, but I attribute it to still being too young. It'll work itself out. Yes the freshman are now close to being Sophs but they truly won't get materially better until the off season strength/conditioning & work outs. Plus they'll better understand how to manage their studies and free time better (having that one yr if school behind them). Just look at how long it took Oliver to start showing what he's capable of 1 & haff season, and he didn't get the luxury if playing significant mins as a Frosh like Wright, Long and the others are getting. It 'll only help them (& us) for next season.
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Post by greenblood on Feb 8, 2014 12:44:54 GMT -5
Really, you think he will be here? According to many here, he, Evan, Rich are all easily replaceable. With what? Role playef FRESHMAN RECRUITS that will be young, not ready for D1, not ready to live away from home and manage their time? We are recruiting over players that you feel are just coming into their own, offering schollies that can be open only if they 'choose to persue other opportunities'......
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Post by siena12077 on Feb 8, 2014 13:12:19 GMT -5
That whole young thing.....not buying it so much 25 games into the season. Not having a back up PG hurts, but not bringing your game to compete just kills me. We can't complain about fouls if we continue to commit them. In 11/25 games we equaled or fouled LESS than our opponent and won 10 of the 11 of those games - the one loss was the Canisius shoot out in Buffalo.. Don't disagree that we need a back-up PG and still committing too many fouls, but I attribute it to still being too young. It'll work itself out. Yes the freshman are now close to being Sophs but they truly won't get materially better until the off season strength/conditioning & work outs. Plus they'll better understand how to manage their studies and free time better (having that one yr if school behind them). Just look at how long it took Oliver to start showing what he's capable of 1 & haff season, and he didn't get the luxury if playing significant mins as a Frosh like Wright, Long and the others are getting. It 'll only help them (& us) for next season. So now all o a sudden Oliver is a capable and dependable D1 player who can score consistently? (Which is what the team needs) I don't think one game proves that. My problem is you need to build this young team up and not shatter their confidence by yanking them after each play they've messed up. Look at Wright, because of the fact their is no backup PG he plays theough mistakes, which he does make, and has grown into an all league caliber player year 1
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 8, 2014 13:18:45 GMT -5
No, I'm saying after very limited mins as a Frosh and coming back from knee injury it has taken him this long to gain the confidence to show why we recruited him in the first place. Jeff Walker is no dummy to talent. If Walker thought he could play for Siena, that's good enough for me.
So I guess yes, I believe we'll see more of the Oliver of last night (albeit not getting a career high each game) but will get productive mins.
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Post by bigdog76 on Feb 8, 2014 14:45:11 GMT -5
This team fails to instill fear in opponents. Lack of very strong physical ability at times is being compensated by never ending fouls. There will likely be some help from Cole and stronger Wolf but the next two recruits are so, so critical for the future.
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Post by bh15 on Feb 8, 2014 14:49:50 GMT -5
The entire recruiting situation makes me incredibly uncomfortable. I like to think JP and staff have a better grasp as to who's staying and who's going than we on this board do. It helps me sleep at night.
I think Oliver is getting confident. It was his biggest missing piece, but I don't think it'll suddenly fill our missing piece with the consistent shooter role. I think he'll be good for 8ppg for the rest of the season with maybe one more night like last night (hopefully throughout an entire game rather than just the 2nd half). I think he plays tough and with a lot of heart lately. I like how he's developing and I wouldn't particularly enjoy seeing him go.
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