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Post by billmurray on Feb 2, 2014 20:21:09 GMT -5
I think John D'Arg has to look as his "advisory committee", because it's not making sense. I wonder if this is the same group that "paid tribute" last night to the '89 & '94 teams, where THREE players showed up! You just can't decide these things on a whim and expect them to look like the "top tier" program we aspire to be. Another thing (thanks to Hoopsfan 68): the dimming of the arena lights for Siena player intros & NO SPOTLIGHT ON THE PLAYER WHEN HE'S BEING ANNOUNCED? Amateur hour... Valid points.
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Post by SIENA1971 on Feb 2, 2014 21:24:46 GMT -5
My guess is since there are no scholarship seniors to honor and the current state of women's team "they" thought this was best shot of getting a decent turnout ... Expect next year it will be a post EOS event (with highlight video from MAAC tourney)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 22:41:17 GMT -5
I think John D'Arg has to look as his "advisory committee", because it's not making sense. I wonder if this is the same group that "paid tribute" last night to the '89 & '94 teams, where THREE players showed up! You just can't decide these things on a whim and expect them to look like the "top tier" program we aspire to be. Another thing (thanks to Hoopsfan 68): the dimming of the arena lights for Siena player intros & NO SPOTLIGHT ON THE PLAYER WHEN HE'S BEING ANNOUNCED? Amateur hour... +1,000,000 likes
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Post by saints22 on Feb 3, 2014 18:25:18 GMT -5
I'm sure those of you that sent John a letter got the same response I did..which was basically the change was ran by the Saints alive advisory committee and was enthusiastically endorsed. They think the changes are terrific and great send off to both the men's and women's team to MAAC tournament..good luck to them Okay, I'll bite. I'm one of the members of the Athletics Advisory Council. Have been since its inception about ten years ago. I don't know how much of Tony's post is an exact quote from the response he got from John, so I can't comment on things like "enthusiastically endorsed", "changes are terrific" and "great send off". Here's what I can comment on. Holding the end-of-season dinner in the week after the last regular-season game and before the MAAC Tournament was proposed to the Advisory Council by the Athletics administration at a meeting last year (February, 2013). A number of comments, pro and con, were made. Ultimately, a decision was made that there wasn't enough time at that point to move the dinner from it's traditional date in late April to early March. However, a number of the council members did support the idea of moving the dinner because it seemed like a good way to generate some enthusiasm and support for the team (men's team) as they prepared for the tournament (Tony's reference to a "great send off"). The idea was recently put before the council again, only this time not as a proposal, but as a done deal, based on the support that had been expressed last year. My recollection is that about eight or nine of the council members were present at the meeting; none of us had any objections to moving the date of the dinner. I should add that also Coach Patsos supports moving the dinner to the week leading to the tournament. When discussed at the most recent council meeting, the Athletics administration said that the end-of-season dinner would be a combined event for both the men's and women's teams. This has been discussed for the past year or two, but it didn't happen for one reason or another. This year, though, we were told that Coach Patsos had proposed holding a dinner for both teams, so obviously he supports the idea. That proposal was discussed with Coach Jacques, who agreed to do it that way. [To answer Bill Murray's question.......I've been to the last three women's dinners. Virtually all of the people attending were Siena staff or family members of the players. There were a few fans, but not many. The players seemed to enjoy the dinners, but I personally felt bad for them that not more people were there to support them and the program. I guess I understand why only a few die-hard fans were there, but having been to three of the dinners, I'm happy for the women players that they will now be able to participate in an event where there efforts will be more widely recognized.] Council members supported leaving the cost of the dinner itself (not the pre-dinner reception) at the same level it has been for the last year or two, though we did not have a problem increasing the cost to attend both the reception and the dinner. To keep the evening at a reasonable length, graduating seniors will not speak at the event. Instead, each senior will be interviewed prior to the dinner, and his/her comments will be edited for showing at the dinner. There was also discussion about the possibility of having another, less formal event in the spring, if warranted. For example, if the men win the MAAC Tournament, that is certainly something that the school and the community would want to recognize and celebrate. That might be done on campus at an event similar to the gatherings the school sponsored several years ago on Selection Sunday when we all waited to find out who the men's team would be playing in the NCAA Tournament.
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Post by Tony on Feb 3, 2014 18:48:27 GMT -5
He is my take on the letter- John has got a lot of push back on the change and he is using the Advisory council as “cover” I’ve talked to several people and haven’t found anyone that actually supports the change. And other than people deeply connected to Siena in way or another are not happy with combining the events. It will be interesting to see how much the event is supported --hell what do I know? it might not make much difference at all. I only have control over myself and I won’t be attending . But I do wish the event success
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Post by gorvy on Feb 3, 2014 18:57:32 GMT -5
The new news about killing the senior speeches is just as disappointing. For an event that is for most years beyond what I do to support the team, that was one of the selling points for me. I usually came away impressed with the quality and enjoyed connection between player and "human". This won't be the same with a canned interview. I respect the advisory opinion (or lack of objection) but I still disagree with celebrating accomplishments before the season is over. It is almost as bad (but not quite) as when the maac used to hold pre-tournament dinners after two poor teams had already been eliminated.
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Post by nolesaint on Feb 3, 2014 19:42:29 GMT -5
Hopefully, in a couple of years everyone will get a chuckle out of the one year 'experiment' of having the banquet before the season was over....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 20:16:35 GMT -5
The Gottfried commitment triggered a thought. Perhaps the early pre-tournament dinner is a convenient way to avoid the blood letting that seems to be in our future as either kids voluntarily or involuntarily slide off the scholarship ranks to make room for the incoming recruits. Those changes will undoubtedly become very public at some point following our last game. Not having to address it at a season ending dinner might be seen as an easy way out.
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Post by greenblood on Feb 3, 2014 20:20:55 GMT -5
I was just thinking the same thing.
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Post by gorvy on Feb 3, 2014 20:29:42 GMT -5
A thought I had before the commitment was that it would allow Patsos to go on recruiting trips or his trip to France. Later, when he moves on, he wouldn't have to have that awkward return trip. In a perfect world, it would be held after the season. This world is far from perfect.
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Post by Tony on Feb 4, 2014 6:06:54 GMT -5
The Gottfried commitment triggered a thought. Perhaps the early pre-tournament dinner is a convenient way to avoid the blood letting that seems to be in our future as either kids voluntarily or involuntarily slide off the scholarship ranks to make room for the incoming recruits. Those changes will undoubtedly become very public at some point following our last game. Not having to address it at a season ending dinner might be seen as an easy way out. Good God man get a hold of yourself. There is not going to be any bloodletting. Nobody is getting run off , will there be some changes probably – look at the transfer rate in D1. Kids want to play – lets things play out before you have a knee jerk reaction
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 14:41:31 GMT -5
The Gottfried commitment triggered a thought. Perhaps the early pre-tournament dinner is a convenient way to avoid the blood letting that seems to be in our future as either kids voluntarily or involuntarily slide off the scholarship ranks to make room for the incoming recruits. Those changes will undoubtedly become very public at some point following our last game. Not having to address it at a season ending dinner might be seen as an easy way out. Good God man get a hold of yourself. There is not going to be any bloodletting. Nobody is getting run off , will there be some changes probably – look at the transfer rate in D1. Kids want to play – lets things play out before you have a knee jerk reaction I am going to file "Nobody is getting run off" in my file with "If you like your doctor, you can keep him" and other such choice words of wisdom - NOT!
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Post by Quackman on Feb 4, 2014 14:49:22 GMT -5
I don't get what the big deal is ... the MAAC does their year end celebration the night prior to the MAAC tournament. At the end of the regular season, you're apt to get more people paying attention and willing to attend.
Yes, change is difficult but why not see how it plays out before condemning it? If it sucks or is poorly attended and they don't move it back, then you'll have something to complain about.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 15:00:24 GMT -5
I don't get what the big deal is ... the MAAC does their year end celebration the night prior to the MAAC tournament. At the end of the regular season, you're apt to get more people paying attention and willing to attend. Yes, change is difficult but why not see how it plays out before condemning it? If it sucks or is poorly attended and they don't move it back, then you'll have something to complain about. You may be right but having been to just about every one since Mike Deane was HC, I have a different view of the event. To use your logic, you wouldn't question the NY Yankees for scheduling, with one third of the season yet to be played, a "year end AWARDS banquet" to be held on a night before the playoffs started. Doesn't pass the smell test for me.
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Post by siena95 on Feb 4, 2014 16:25:48 GMT -5
I think John D'Arg has to look as his "advisory committee", because it's not making sense. I wonder if this is the same group that "paid tribute" last night to the '89 & '94 teams, where THREE players showed up! You just can't decide these things on a whim and expect them to look like the "top tier" program we aspire to be. Another thing (thanks to Hoopsfan 68): the dimming of the arena lights for Siena player intros & NO SPOTLIGHT ON THE PLAYER WHEN HE'S BEING ANNOUNCED? Amateur hour... +1,000,000 likes and 2 of those 3 players are local..... minor league w/ a lot of this stuff.
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