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Post by Tony on Jan 27, 2014 6:35:37 GMT -5
Last several games Saints have started slow. It’s one thing to get down to SPC or FF – against a good team it’s difficult to recover. I know its not a huge deal since Jimmy subs so liberally - but the fact remains the big line up has struggled mightily to start the last several games
Imoh has struggled of late, and has its been documented Brett plays much better at the 5 than the 4. Lavon has been better at the 4. Starting the big line up we only have Poole as a shooter. MAAC 4’s will go out and guard Brett at 3 point line—MAAC 5’s are reluctant to. At this stage of his development Lavon is much stronger inside than out at the SF. I say start Brett- Lavon- Poole – Wright and either White or Oliver. The big line up has out lived its usefulness and has not been productive last several games. We cant afford to keep starting games in the "hole"
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Post by bryk on Jan 27, 2014 7:22:38 GMT -5
I think it has its time and place, but starting it only serves one purpose. It seems the only reason why we would start it is to slow things down a bit at the start, and to try to get a feel for the game, and the refs. In terms of scoring, it just doesn't get it done. This along with the heavy subbing really slows down the first half. I feel it is currently Patsos safety net to figure out what/who is working on a given night.
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Post by bagger on Jan 27, 2014 7:59:15 GMT -5
still too many turnovers, especially against good teams, don't know if that can be corrected with these players..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 10:53:53 GMT -5
Could not agree more. The MAAC is won and dominated by wings and guards that are athletic and can shoot. By going small I would start Oliver at the moment because teams will be forced to respect him from beyond the arc. Having Oliver and Poole as legit threats from 3pt land will also help open things up down low for Bisping and Long. That 12-4 and 31-20 starts yesterday could have been much worse against a better team, and possibly too big of a hole to come back from.
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Post by $cott on Jan 27, 2014 11:51:07 GMT -5
We are on our way to an 8 game winning streak. Not the time to mess with the starting lineup. Start with the big lineup, see if you can establish something inside and draw some early fouls, and go smaller if it isn't working. Silas seems pretty boom or bust lately so might as well get him out there to begin with to see which Silas it is going to be and adapt from there.
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 27, 2014 12:42:02 GMT -5
We are on our way to an 8 game winning streak. Not the time to mess with the starting lineup. Start with the big lineup, see if you can establish something inside and draw some early fouls, and go smaller if it isn't working. Silas seems pretty boom or bust lately so might as well get him out there to begin with to see which Silas it is going to be and adapt from there. Hasn't worked yet .... If it's broke fix it! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 12:50:43 GMT -5
We are on our way to an 8 game winning streak. Not the time to mess with the starting lineup. Start with the big lineup, see if you can establish something inside and draw some early fouls, and go smaller if it isn't working. Silas seems pretty boom or bust lately so might as well get him out there to begin with to see which Silas it is going to be and adapt from there. Hasn't worked yet .... If it's broke fix it! It may not be working from the get go but this team is showing itself as a good second half team that knows how to finish - I'd rather have that than the old run out quick and then watch it get pissed away - we had three years of that. Jimmy has cut down on both the frequency of substitutions second half as well as the number of guys getting minutes in the second half. That does seem to be working. Let's see how it plays out over the next couple of games. |
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 27, 2014 16:45:35 GMT -5
Hasn't worked yet .... If it's broke fix it! It may not be working from the get go but this team is showing itself as a good second half team that knows how to finish - I'd rather have that than the old run out quick and then watch it get pissed away - we had three years of that. Jimmy has cut down on both the frequency of substitutions second half as well as the number of guys getting minutes in the second half. That does seem to be working. Let's see how it plays out over the next couple of games. Lately that lineup hasn't lasted in the second half w/ all the subs. So it's kind of hard to say that group has been finishing strong. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 17:17:32 GMT -5
It may not be working from the get go but this team is showing itself as a good second half team that knows how to finish - I'd rather have that than the old run out quick and then watch it get pissed away - we had three years of that. Jimmy has cut down on both the frequency of substitutions second half as well as the number of guys getting minutes in the second half. That does seem to be working. Let's see how it plays out over the next couple of games. Lately that lineup hasn't lasted in the second half w/ all the subs. So it's kind of hard to say that group has been finishing strong. I apologize, my post wasn't clear. What you say is very true - my point, poorly made, was directed at seeing who is playing well, etc. in the first half and then go with them for the second. The team seems to be buying into Jimmy's half-time tirades or pep talk or whatever and they come out focused and know how to finish. Didn't mean to imply the same starting five should be out there the bulk of the second half. |
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Post by Tony on Jan 27, 2014 17:21:41 GMT -5
they are finishing strong is the product of two things
our depth
flex offense ( wears opposing teams down)
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Post by DelmartianEd on Jan 27, 2014 18:01:05 GMT -5
I assume that starting Silas at the 5 has to do with wanting to win the tipoff.
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Post by greenblood on Jan 27, 2014 18:54:35 GMT -5
Yes , he wins most of the tip offs. Want JO jumping on those ankles? Not me.
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 27, 2014 19:05:26 GMT -5
I assume that starting Silas at the 5 has to do with wanting to win the tipoff. He actually does make it very difficult for the opponent to score easy buckets inside when he can stay on the floor and sets the tone of people not driving the lane. I wish he focus on going straight up and altering shots instead of being so focused on getting a hand on the ball. It would make him far more effective and keep him on the floor far longer |
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 27, 2014 19:40:15 GMT -5
Lately that lineup hasn't lasted in the second half w/ all the subs. So it's kind of hard to say that group has been finishing strong. I apologize, my post wasn't clear. What you say is very true - my point, poorly made, was directed at seeing who is playing well, etc. in the first half and then go with them for the second. The team seems to be buying into Jimmy's half-time tirades or pep talk or whatever and they come out focused and know how to finish. Didn't mean to imply the same starting five should be out there the bulk of the second half. No worries! |
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