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Post by psycholojets on Feb 10, 2014 0:40:12 GMT -5
Got to have faith in the architect. He has the plans long term and a record of building a solid program. Forgive me but I have more faith in him than in the best of you. IMHO Sent from my SPH-L710 using proboards
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Post by Sienafan on Feb 10, 2014 2:07:22 GMT -5
There are a few threads where this post could go, but I guess this is as good as any other. I think that there is a pretty strong consensus that the four freshmen Jimmy brought in were all good recruits, with Wright being better than good. Most people also seem to think that Patrick Cole will be a high quality addition next year. Now, we have several posters questioning the signing of Jimmy Paige and apparently even more suggesting that Jimmy should not have offered Gottfried, even if he is paying his own way the first year. So, has Patsos gone from being a good recruiter to a bad one in less than a year? I think not. With all due respect to all of the experts who post here, none of us has a better sense than the staff of what pieces the team needs. They know better than we what any given recruit brings to the table, and whether those skills are duplicative of what is already here or fill in an area where the current roster leaves something to be desired. For the record, I would put the two greatest needs as another big man and someone who can shoot and provide quality minutes at the PG position. However, that is based on seeing 14 games and maybe one or two practices. I don't know whether Cole can be the back-up PG next year or not, but since the priority right now seems to be Brandwijk, an athletic big who has 3-point range, I have to believe that the staff has confidence in Cole or perhaps Gottfried on a limited basis. There is also the reality that a back-up PG will not see many minutes in the absence of an injury, unles his skills enable him to contend to be a starter at another position. No real quality recruit will sign on to not starting until his senior year. Taplin is certainly intriguing, but is clearly not qualified yet. If he is really interested in Siena, he could be here after a prep year, assuming he does not qualify or we do not have a scholarship to give if he does. Which brings me back to Paige. I first heard about him well before the season started. He was rated as the 7th best player in Virginia before he suffered an injury that limited his play on the AAU circuit last summer. Even so, Rivals still had him as the 12th best player in VA as late August. With all of the knowledge the staff has about the kids they recruited to Loyola, especially after almost a whole season coaching them, I can'tbelieve Patsos would go after this kid if he were simply more of the same. Jimmy knows what will happen if he doesn't win. My sense is that they see Paige as being able to play above the MAAC. As for Gottfried, Jimmy obviously sees something there, given that he had offered him at Loyola. He appears to be a very good shooter and will not take up a scholarship format least a year, so what is not to like? Let me add one other thing: Jimmy was not my first choice for the job. I wanted Andrew Toole. Have I liked everything Jimmy has done this year? Absolutely not, but the program is in much better hands than it was a year ago and I believe better days are not that far away. I echo these sentiments. I think Paige is better than most here think and are only not high on him because they haven't heard of him. He seems to be putting up excellent stats on a nationally ranked H.S. team, so I don't think he's gonna be another role player. I also get the feeling that Brandwijk is now the staff's priority recruit. He's a 6'9 athletic scoring big man who can runt he floor, shoot from three, and has a college-ready body. How many of those do we currently have? I don't think they can afford to bet the farm on Taplin becoming eligible and ignore other interested parties in the process. If he does become eligible late, I'm confident there will be a spot available for him. I'm not sure where Gottfried fits in towards the rebuilding effort, but he's not a scholarship player, so his impact on the bottom line is miniscule. I too did not have Jimmy as my first choice. Like Knicksaint, I wanted Toole as well (who's currently in 1st place in the NEC, but just 14-11 overall with a team better than Siena). But I've been pretty happy with what I've seen from Patsos so far. I think you have to take into consideration the mess he was handed when he arrived. All the past coaches many here like to compare to him that turned the program around into a winner in their first seasons inherited a lot more talent from their predecessors than Patsos did. Food for thought. I'll judge him after I see his guys as sophomores. But anyone expecting a winning season this year is a lunatic. Patsos warned all of us in the preseason during one of his interviews that we weren't going to have a good season. He knew what he had and was honest about it. I think we all need to step back and take an objective look of what we have - and how long it's going to realistically take to fix it. Relax and enjoy the slow ascent back to the top.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 10, 2014 3:23:16 GMT -5
I was the first person out here to mention the possibility of Jimmy as our next coach. Knowing how much he respected this program, and his displeasure with his program, Loyola (Md) going to the Patriot League. My hunch came thru and I couldn't be happier with him. Things are going in the right direction, and he has an excellent first recruiting class, including the transfer Cole.
I can't recall anyone out here knocking the Paige signing?? Seems like the kid will be a plus for sure. He just seems like a player(s) we already have (Long, Cole and White). As for Gottfried, isn't it normal to take walk-ons LAST in the recruiting game? Taking a pledge this early from a kid that has no D-1 offers, and has agreed to walk-on for at least his freshman season, seems odd when our program has a few high priority needs.
I agree 100% with KS about what we do need. An athletic big that can shoot, and a combo guard that can also shoot it. I wouldn't mind a back-to-the-basket scoring big either since I don't see one on our current roster. All these needs get filled, and we're looking at pushing 3 kids out of the program. That usually doesn't fly too well out here, but lately it seems acceptable?!
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Post by MTS on Feb 10, 2014 11:52:54 GMT -5
The program is certainly in much better hands than it was a year ago (I mean that's not too hard). I think people are concerned if Jimmy can take us to the level Fran had us at and hopefully even beyond that. But that question will not be answered this season but really in the next couple of years. At worst Jimmy will have Siena competitive and in the mix for postseason bids. He certainly will not be a Beyer, Lanier or Mitch. I could see Jimmy as a Mike Deane and that would not be a bad thing but I rather have him be on the level of Paul Hewitt or Fran McCaffery. As good as Deane was he had a lot of postseason disappointments outside of 1989 and 1994.
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Post by Sienafan on Feb 10, 2014 14:18:21 GMT -5
I can't recall anyone out here knocking the Paige signing?? Seems like the kid will be a plus for sure. He just seems like a player(s) we already have (Long, Cole and White). As for Gottfried, isn't it normal to take walk-ons LAST in the recruiting game? Taking a pledge this early from a kid that has no D-1 offers, and has agreed to walk-on for at least his freshman season, seems odd when our program has a few high priority needs. None of those players shoot and hit three pointers with any regularity. Paige does. Everybody cited that as a need. Well here he is. He's also versatile enough (combination of size and speed) to play the 2 or 3 - of those you listed, only Cole can say the same.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 10, 2014 14:30:37 GMT -5
What's Paiges shooting % from beyond the arc?
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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 12, 2014 8:20:49 GMT -5
Paige had 22 pts in a win over Norfolk Christian.
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Post by MTS on Feb 12, 2014 11:56:20 GMT -5
Wonder why Paige did not any mid-major offers besides Siena? He seems like a hidden gem. He had a bunch of offers but it was Robert Morris, High Point, Longwood, Norfolk St etc..was he overshadowed by the team he plays on a top 20 team in Virginia?
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Post by bigsaintg on Feb 12, 2014 12:18:14 GMT -5
His teammate Clark was offered by Kansa state today
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Feb 12, 2014 12:31:36 GMT -5
I'm not in tune with the recuiting scene, but I was going to say the same as bigsaintg, that when I did a cursory search to check out Paige when he signed Edit: Verballed, I saw that his teammate Chris Clarke (Class of 2015) was considered a higher rated recruit with major offers.
Jimmy Paige seems to fit into the "junkyard dog" player that Patsos likes to recruit, I'm excited to see him in Green & Gold.
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 12, 2014 12:50:55 GMT -5
Wasn't there something written about him getting injured a yr or two back and that's when other D1 teams backed off him; or am I confusing this with another recruit Siena's after?
Edited after Musicmans post below. Per KnickSaint JP was injured and that may have lead to others backing off.
One more point . How mAny times has Siena recruited a diamond in the rough that no other major D1 teams would. I'd say quite a few. With that said, I'd almost welcome these young men no one has heard of (by no one I mean us on this board ). That means the staff are doing their home work. Harder to judge potential versus a known talent that others also plainly see.
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Post by musicman on Feb 12, 2014 12:51:20 GMT -5
There are a few threads where this post could go, but I guess this is as good as any other. I think that there is a pretty strong consensus that the four freshmen Jimmy brought in were all good recruits, with Wright being better than good. Most people also seem to think that Patrick Cole will be a high quality addition next year. Now, we have several posters questioning the signing of Jimmy Paige and apparently even more suggesting that Jimmy should not have offered Gottfried, even if he is paying his own way the first year. So, has Patsos gone from being a good recruiter to a bad one in less than a year? I think not. With all due respect to all of the experts who post here, none of us has a better sense than the staff of what pieces the team needs. They know better than we what any given recruit brings to the table, and whether those skills are duplicative of what is already here or fill in an area where the current roster leaves something to be desired. For the record, I would put the two greatest needs as another big man and someone who can shoot and provide quality minutes at the PG position. However, that is based on seeing 14 games and maybe one or two practices. I don't know whether Cole can be the back-up PG next year or not, but since the priority right now seems to be Brandwijk, an athletic big who has 3-point range, I have to believe that the staff has confidence in Cole or perhaps Gottfried on a limited basis. There is also the reality that a back-up PG will not see many minutes in the absence of an injury, unles his skills enable him to contend to be a starter at another position. No real quality recruit will sign on to not starting until his senior year. Taplin is certainly intriguing, but is clearly not qualified yet. If he is really interested in Siena, he could be here after a prep year, assuming he does not qualify or we do not have a scholarship to give if he does. Which brings me back to Paige. I first heard about him well before the season started. He was rated as the 7th best player in Virginia before he suffered an injury that limited his play on the AAU circuit last summer. Even so, Rivals still had him as the 12th best player in VA as late August. With all of the knowledge the staff has about the kids they recruited to Loyola, especially after almost a whole season coaching them, I can'tbelieve Patsos would go after this kid if he were simply more of the same. Jimmy knows what will happen if he doesn't win. My sense is that they see Paige as being able to play above the MAAC. As for Gottfried, Jimmy obviously sees something there, given that he had offered him at Loyola. He appears to be a very good shooter and will not take up a scholarship format least a year, so what is not to like? Let me add one other thing: Jimmy was not my first choice for the job. I wanted Andrew Toole. Have I liked everything Jimmy has done this year? Absolutely not, but the program is in much better hands than it was a year ago and I believe better days are not that far away. I echo these sentiments. I think Paige is better than most here think and are only not high on him because they haven't heard of him. He seems to be putting up excellent stats on a nationally ranked H.S. team, so I don't think he's gonna be another role player. I also get the feeling that Brandwijk is now the staff's priority recruit. He's a 6'9 athletic scoring big man who can runt he floor, shoot from three, and has a college-ready body. How many of those do we currently have? I don't think they can afford to bet the farm on Taplin becoming eligible and ignore other interested parties in the process. If he does become eligible late, I'm confident there will be a spot available for him. I'm not sure where Gottfried fits in towards the rebuilding effort, but he's not a scholarship player, so his impact on the bottom line is miniscule. I too did not have Jimmy as my first choice. Like Knicksaint, I wanted Toole as well (who's currently in 1st place in the NEC, but just 14-11 overall with a team better than Siena). But I've been pretty happy with what I've seen from Patsos so far. I think you have to take into consideration the mess he was handed when he arrived. All the past coaches many here like to compare to him that turned the program around into a winner in their first seasons inherited a lot more talent from their predecessors than Patsos did. Food for thought. I'll judge him after I see his guys as sophomores. But anyone expecting a winning season this year is a lunatic. Patsos warned all of us in the preseason during one of his interviews that we weren't going to have a good season. He knew what he had and was honest about it. I think we all need to step back and take an objective look of what we have - and how long it's going to realistically take to fix it. Relax and enjoy the slow ascent back to the top. Speaking of Brandwijk, there was talk in earlier posts about him or some another recruit coming to the TU for the Fairfield game. I'm assuming that no one was there ? There hasn't been any mention about Brandwijk. Anyone have info?
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Post by bigsaintg on Feb 12, 2014 13:00:46 GMT -5
They are both visiting this weekend
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Post by musicman on Feb 12, 2014 13:16:45 GMT -5
They are both visiting this weekend Brandwijk and who else? thank you.
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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 12, 2014 13:20:46 GMT -5
They are both visiting this weekend Brandwijk and who else? thank you. Paige and Brandwijk i believe will be here for the Canisius game.
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