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Post by bigsaintg on Oct 13, 2013 10:05:22 GMT -5
PPC - you were also touting a 6-7, 235lb point guard because Uimmy said he could play point
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Post by th24 on Oct 13, 2013 10:09:34 GMT -5
PPC - you were also touting a 6-7, 235lb point guard because Uimmy said he could play point Was that B.S. really needed?! knock it off!
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Post by hoopjunkie on Oct 13, 2013 10:35:20 GMT -5
So here is where I am supposed to back down and understand that this board is where fans take out their frustration and voice opinions on the players and team even though they know the coach calls the shots...I get that now My position again is that Wolfe was going to redshirt at Loyola...then he was going to prep ...then he was recruited for Siena with a redshirt option....the question marks in his game and readiness to play were looked at since he arrived. ..Patsos Wolfe and his family have decided he would not receive enough playing time this year to burn one of his 4.....strength is the main issue...if Wolfe had shown Patsos that he was or could be the best big after 10 games then he will not redshirt...IMOP there is no way you can draw that conclusion from one practice. ...Wolfe at 6'9 with bounced dunked a lot and made one 3....there is a lot more that goes into getting minutes This post is dead on- put another way- if Wolfe is as good as most of you think – he will not redshirt this year. The staff see him every day- I have faith they will make the right call My posts on Wolfe are directed to the fans that told us he wasn't ready to contribute to this team....they're wrong. Dead wrong. With that, I have no idea what promises were made to Wolfe when he switched his alligance from Loyola to Siena. I can say this, IF he went to prep school, we'd never see that kid again, so I'm glad he's here NOW. If the contingancy of him coming here was to to redshirt him for a year, then I'll live with it. Siena has NEVER had a kid this tall and athletic before. He's a STEAL at our level. So I guess I'm saying that a DEAL may very well have been worked out to secure Wolfes commitment. IF Jimmy promised him and his family a RS year if he skipped prep school, I get it. I would hope we go with Long at the "4" for 30 min a night then. Poole is going to get 32+ at the "3" and Wright will get 30+ at the "1".....There's no way White isn't the clear "2" by the end of the year. Audu and Oliver don't offer much. It's good to see athleticism on the wings again, it's been missing for years. I can only imagine how White and Cole would look if they played with Wright and Long instead of Cruz and Hopper! lol If that 2-for-2 trade was made, the "White team" would win every scrimmage easily.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 13, 2013 10:58:27 GMT -5
This post is dead on- put another way- if Wolfe is as good as most of you think – he will not redshirt this year. The staff see him every day- I have faith they will make the right call My posts on Wolfe are directed to the fans that told us he wasn't ready to contribute to this team....they're wrong. Dead wrong. With that, I have no idea what promises were made to Wolfe when he switched his alligance from Loyola to Siena. I can say this, IF he went to prep school, we'd never see that kid again, so I'm glad he's here NOW. If the contingancy of him coming here was to to redshirt him for a year, then I'll live with it. Siena has NEVER had a kid this tall and athletic before. He's a STEAL at our level. So I guess I'm saying that a DEAL may very well have been worked out to secure Wolfes commitment. IF Jimmy promised him and his family a RS year if he skipped prep school, I get it. I would hope we go with Long at the "4" for 30 min a night then. Poole is going to get 32+ at the "3" and Wright will get 30+ at the "1".....There's no way White isn't the clear "2" by the end of the year. Audu and Oliver don't offer much. It's good to see athleticism on the wings again, it's been missing for years. I can only imagine how White and Cole would look if they played with Wright and Long instead of Cruz and Hopper! lol If that 2-for-2 trade was made, the "White team" would win every scrimmage easily. Ok that's a compromise I can go with...I agree with you about White. .had he been here from day 1 things could be different. .also give Audu and Oliver some credit for stepping up and fighting for it. ..White will have to take the spot and I know we need what he brings. ..the most prepared players will play and the most cohesive unit will start
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Post by greenblood on Oct 13, 2013 11:16:29 GMT -5
two key components there.....prepared and cohesive...I agree.
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Post by OneIndian on Oct 13, 2013 14:00:33 GMT -5
Like it or not this is a rebuilding year and we're gonna take our lumps. If you think otherwise your in for a major let down. It makes perfect sense to RS MW, the kid is super athletic but young and not quite developed. He's going to be something special. Why burn a year he's not going to make or break this season. I REPEAT he's not going to make or break this season, Think about it! I would definetly like to see at least 2 spots open up next season ... we need to up our recruiting and start going after higher caliber players. You can click your heels and repeat it three times if you want, but you are still not going to drive your point home. You don't know that he is not going to make or break this season. If he is the best big man we have right now than he needs to be out there helping the team win games. All this touchy feely crap about it being fun even if the team is 2-11 won't seem like much fun if it actually happens. If he can't help the team win this year than all the more reason to play him so he is ready to help next year.... There is not a plethora of talent on this team; Patsos needs to be playing with a full deck especially since Silas is foul prone. I fully expect Patsos to play him. I can't believe so many of you are this passionate about redshirting a good player when the team is coming off a single digit win year. AND u dont know he will! If you think MW is going to log enough minutes pg or have an impact this year your crazy. This team IS going to struggle and a sub 500 start wouldn't surprise me the least. If we finish 500 ill be happy. If you think otherwise your crazy or just delusional.
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Post by Tony on Oct 13, 2013 14:23:30 GMT -5
l wouldn’t say delusional ..but folks should be realistic going into season. We might start a freshmen backcourt – Long and JO will be two of the first players off bench if they don’t start- playing 4 freshmen significant minutes is never a recipe for success. And for those of you that say well Hewitt and Fran won their 1st year ( both just barely) take a look at the schedule they played and compare it to the schedule Jimmy inherited. I am 100% convinced we are headed in right direction- the team will be fun to watch , they will pull a few upsets and lose to teams they shouldn’t lose to. That’s what underclassmen dominated teams do. We will have a better shot at 500 if Cole is eligible, and even if he’s not the foundation will be laid this year. With a years’ experience the JO-Wright-White- Long group will be battle tested add to that core a returning Poole – Hymes –Silas mix in Wolfe and Cole and maybe 1 or two other stud freshmen and Siena could be back where we belong at the top of the MAAC as soon as next year
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 13, 2013 15:25:56 GMT -5
I am amazed at how some fans continue to throw Audu and Oliver out...esp considering how well they are doing..right now both would start...Cole would be better off not getting the waiver IMOP...they still have not figured out where to play him....he has talent and that is a great place to begin...he had a late start as well and being unsure about his future has caused him to coast at times mostly on D...I saw it the other day....the staff wants him cleared but the style of play at Coppin is a lot different than Siena so he has to adjust
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Post by IndianSaint on Oct 13, 2013 16:22:40 GMT -5
Wolfe may be athletic & talented, but is he ready for D-1 play - this year. I don 't know, so I'll place my trust with the coaching staff & not people on this blog.
If Cole is "adjusting" to Jimmy's style of play with 1 yr of D1 under his belt (as PPC says), imagine how much harder it may be for a freshman. I'm not saying Wolfe can or can't make the jump (this yr) but I have faith that the coaches would know.
Even if Wolfe fully understood the system & knew where to be on offense & defense - can he effectively keep his man from scoring in the low post? Again, I don't know but the coaches might.
If he's redshirted this year it doesn't necessarily mean Jimmy's in "rebuilding mode". Jimmy has said more than once wait till Feb/March & we'll see how good we are. I think that he believes we may surprise some, not saying we'll win MAAC tourney, but could surprise some.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Oct 13, 2013 19:37:17 GMT -5
Wolfe may be athletic & talented, but is he ready for D-1 play - this year. I don 't know, so I'll place my trust with the coaching staff & not people on this blog. If Cole is "adjusting" to Jimmy's style of play with 1 yr of D1 under his belt (as PPC says), imagine how much harder it may be for a freshman. I'm not saying Wolfe can or can't make the jump (this yr) but I have faith that the coaches would know. Even if Wolfe fully understood the system & knew where to be on offense & defense - can he effectively keep his man from scoring in the low post? Again, I don't know but the coaches might. If he's redshirted this year it doesn't necessarily mean Jimmy's in "rebuilding mode". Jimmy has said more than once wait till Feb/March & we'll see how good we are. I think that he believes we may surprise some, not saying we'll win MAAC tourney, but could surprise some. Does it really matter what they think if they promised the family they'd RS him? It's a very good bet that's what happened. We are woefully weak upfront, so Wolfe being "good enough" really isn't the question, because there's no doubt he is.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 13, 2013 20:49:53 GMT -5
There is a lot of doubt from the coahes if he can contribute that's why he would redshirt....thoughts after the summer, Montreal games, and the practices is that too much is in front of him to get much time...the redshirt deal is contingent on that. .if after all that has been done so far Wolfe demonstrated he was ready to play the 5 or could be ready in 10 games he won't be reshirting.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Oct 13, 2013 21:37:38 GMT -5
There is a lot of doubt from the coahes if he can contribute that's why he would redshirt....thoughts after the summer, Montreal games, and the practices is that too much is in front of him to get much time...the redshirt deal is contingent on that. .if after all that has been done so far Wolfe demonstrated he was ready to play the 5 or could be ready in 10 games he won't be reshirting. You seem to forget we all saw Audu amd Oliver ALL LAST YEAR while you were living in Baltimore. You're getting close with these kids on a personal level, so your observations are dangerously sliding into "conflict" area.
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Post by bigfan on Oct 13, 2013 23:16:08 GMT -5
There is a lot of doubt from the coahes if he can contribute that's why he would redshirt....thoughts after the summer, Montreal games, and the practices is that too much is in front of him to get much time...the redshirt deal is contingent on that. .if after all that has been done so far Wolfe demonstrated he was ready to play the 5 or could be ready in 10 games he won't be reshirting. You seem to forget we all saw Audu amd Oliver ALL LAST YEAR while you were living in Baltimore. You're getting close with these kids on a personal level, so your observations are dangerously sliding into "conflict" area. Yeah, we all saw them play in a completely broken system. Audu looked good in this practice; got to the rim in traffic and finished a couple of times. Oliver has one of the best shooting strokes on the team and is a heady player. No way you can say who the best option is at the two at this point. White has the tools (sure as sh*t from that left corner!), but he is going to be mistake prone just like any other freshman. His upside may be higher, but right now he may not be the best option. Once MAAC play rolls around, that may change. I suspect it will be fun to watch this all work itself out. By the way, can I assume I wasn't the only one who loved watching (and hearing) Jimmy work with those kids? Nobody gets a free pass!
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Post by hoopjunkie on Oct 14, 2013 2:36:58 GMT -5
Audu and Oliver had the luxury of playing alongside Wright and Long. White has Cruz and Hopper, and STILL outplayed the veterans. That "system" stuff is overrated. It's the talent level that reached an all-time low under Mitchs watch. JP has taken care of that with this freshman class. Audu can't dribble, and Oliver has the knees of a 40 y.o.
White to me represents the new attitude of our new team. No more soft kids. JP didn't allow it at Loyola, and the kids he bought in have a different mindset then Mitchs holdovers. Program is going in the right direction and I hope the freshman get to play a majority of the minutes in this rebuilding year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 4:51:40 GMT -5
HJ is spot on with his evaluation of our new talent. I do disagree with his read on Audu and Oliver - their skill sets were severely undermined by the PW as he tried to mold them into a half-court one-option offense. Their individual confidence levels were ripped apart and they are essentially starting over again as "freshman" under a new HC with a new system and a game style more suited to their strengths. While Oliver's knee may have experienced issues more consistent with someone reaching his 40's, no one can dispute or ignore the work the kid has done to get himself back into game shape with no loss of skill!
I am confident the coaches will do the right thing by Wolfe - I personally hope he plays this year. Jimmy is very open and direct and he came in early identifying the potential for the redshirt year. That was before he saw Wolfe play with this team and under his coaching style. He is not listed in the roster as a RS (as Patrick Cole is) so it is clear Jimmy is keeping his options open. Letting us all know the possibility is there will quiet the fan base somewhat if they see Wolfe nailed to the bench during our early OOC games.
Saturday's open practice was way more entertaining and enlightening than our old "Green and Gold" games, IMHO! I hope it continues in years to come.
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