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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 9:57:58 GMT -5
There are 80 minutes available at the 4 and 5. I don't think anyone wants or believes Silas or Bisping will play more than 20-22 each. That leaves 36 to 40. Ogunyemi grabs another 20-25, leaving 15-20 available. If Long gets them all, he and PPC will probably decide to move on from Siena. There are definitely minutes Wolfe need to fill. If anyone redshirts( which I'm against) , it should be a guard. Maybe Audu, to work on his game, or Oliver , to strengthen his injured knee another year.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 10:21:40 GMT -5
There are 80 minutes available at the 4 and 5. I don't think anyone wants or believes Silas or Bisping will play more than 20-22 each. That leaves 36 to 40. Ogunyemi grabs another 20-25, leaving 15-20 available. If Long gets them all, he and PPC will probably decide to move on from Siena. There are definitely minutes Wolfe need to fill. If anyone redshirts( which I'm against) , it should be a guard. Maybe Audu, to work on his game, or Oliver , to strengthen his injured knee another year. Not with White Cole Hymes and Poole available for the 2.
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Post by buffalo butt on Sept 14, 2013 10:26:13 GMT -5
There are 80 minutes available at the 4 and 5. I don't think anyone wants or believes Silas or Bisping will play more than 20-22 each. That leaves 36 to 40. Ogunyemi grabs another 20-25, leaving 15-20 available. If Long gets them all, he and PPC will probably decide to move on from Siena. There are definitely minutes Wolfe need to fill. If anyone redshirts( which I'm against) , it should be a guard. Maybe Audu, to work on his game, or Oliver , to strengthen his injured knee another year. Why even say these things? He hasn't played a minute at Siena yet.
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Post by greenblood on Sept 14, 2013 10:43:25 GMT -5
There are 80 minutes available at the 4 and 5. I don't think anyone wants or believes Silas or Bisping will play more than 20-22 each. That leaves 36 to 40. Ogunyemi grabs another 20-25, leaving 15-20 available. If Long gets them all, he and PPC will probably decide to move on from Siena. There are definitely minutes Wolfe need to fill. If anyone redshirts( which I'm against) , it should be a guard. Maybe Audu, to work on his game, or Oliver , to strengthen his injured knee another year. Agree with all except redshirting Oliver who already prepped and sat out most of last season, he looks and feels great right now and has proven in Montreal that he could find a shooting stroke rhythm this system. I am with Gorvy and a few others on this; if you recruit them, play them (unless of course they are getting outplayed or outworked by other team members). One thing I believe that this staff will do is what is best for the collective whole. If that means that some become unhappy and move on, so be it. There are always others who want an opportunity at this level to continue their playing careers at a D-1 level and obtain a quality liberal arts education without the financial burden of loans after four years; not to mention the kind of fan support that which far surpasses the level of the league we play in.
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Post by nolesaint on Sept 14, 2013 10:48:16 GMT -5
We all know all the BCS programs will often ID kids they want but aren't physically ready for D1 ball yet. What do they do with these kids? Either pass, hide them in prep for a year or sign 'em and give them a red shirt their freshman year. It happens all the time.
You all know I love debate and speculation on a fan board. So here is mine: Jimmy will (A) compare his expectations (aka team goals) for this year with and without MW v. (B)what he believes the younger members of the team and the key recruits he's identified can do in the next 4 years after this year with MW having had an extra year for physical development. If he believes that B will be greater than A he red shirts MW. Either way it is a risk and there will be times this year when he and everyone else questions the decision. Only time will tell which is the right decision.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Sept 14, 2013 11:04:49 GMT -5
EVERY kid is better at 22-23 than they are at 17-18, so every freshman should redshirt that isn't going to get 35 min? As a horrible team, I'm not worried about 4 years now, we stink NOW, and need all the help we can get!! If we end up as good as everyone thinks, in 4 years we'll be signing kids much better than Wolfe anyways. Yes, in a perfect world they would red shirt every kid. Jimmy P should be planning for the long term not the short term. If, in his opinion, a kid like Wolfe will have a better overall career because he takes a redshirt season then I am all for it. Ever look at the mid majors who do well in the NCAA tourney, they are typically senior dominated and always seem to have multiple 5th seniors on the team. Further, the decision to red shirt any player could be based on a number of reasons: strength, guys ahead of him in the rotation, maturity, academics ... The key is to make sure the kid will be able to deal with it emotionally, learn from it, be better at year 5 than he would have been in year 1 and still be around. If Siena has to take some lumps this year but the use of freshman and making use of the red shirt rules results in a McCaffery type run, I am all for it. Nola, if you're playing for 2018, then let's redshirt Wright and Long too!! With (3) 5th year seniors, we should be real dangerous that year!! lol
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Post by hoopjunkie on Sept 14, 2013 11:13:22 GMT -5
HJ, you boggle my mind when you label Siena as a bad team without them even playing a game. When and if they are getting beat by 20-30 points a game then I'll agree with you. Who would have thought Niagara would have won the regular season championship last year coming off their previous season bomb out. If I boggled your mind, I can only imagine how you felt when the other MAAC coaches picked us to finish 10th!! lol We won 8 games last year, and lost, BY FAR, our best player, along with 2 of other top 5 (Burdine and Brookins), and we won 8 games!! There's "die hard" fans like yourself, and then there's objective ones like myself. Could we have a "Tebow-like" season and shock the world like Fran did a few years ago? Sure we could, but it's highly unlikely. Jimmy goes .500 with these kids, and this insanely tough schedule, he will have eclipsed Frans miracle........and as a Siena fan, I hope he does it so you can say, "I told ya so."
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Post by playerparentcoach on Sept 14, 2013 11:36:17 GMT -5
I'm a little afraid of redshirting one of our best athletes this year. 1.Wright 2.Hymes 3.Poole 4.Long 5.Bisping If this is first 5 right now how do you divide the minutes from here to include Wolfe?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 11:47:07 GMT -5
Siena doesn't even have a post grad program. Who wants to do 5 years of schoolwork for a bachelor's degree? Why redshirt Wolfe so he can take his 5th year (without sitting out mind you) back to Maryland after all his Maryland friends have graduated?
Get a graduate program first, then we can talk about redshirts. I want all hands on deck.
Now if Michael Wolfe's secret passion is advanced accounting, it's a different story.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 11:50:43 GMT -5
There are 80 minutes available at the 4 and 5. I don't think anyone wants or believes Silas or Bisping will play more than 20-22 each. That leaves 36 to 40. Ogunyemi grabs another 20-25, leaving 15-20 available. If Long gets them all, he and PPC will probably decide to move on from Siena. There are definitely minutes Wolfe need to fill. If anyone redshirts( which I'm against) , it should be a guard. Maybe Audu, to work on his game, or Oliver , to strengthen his injured knee another year. Agree with all except redshirting Oliver who already prepped and sat out most of last season, he looks and feels great right now and has proven in Montreal that he could find a shooting stroke rhythm this system. I am with Gorvy and a few others on this; if you recruit them, play them (unless of course they are getting outplayed or outworked by other team members). One thing I believe that this staff will do is what is best for the collective whole. If that means that some become unhappy and move on, so be it. There are always others who want an opportunity at this level to continue their playing careers at a D-1 level and obtain a quality liberal arts education without the financial burden of loans after four years; not to mention the kind of fan support that which far surpasses the level of the league we play in. Right. I never said I would redshirt Oliver. I said it made as much sense or more than Wolfe. I'm not a fan of redshirting anyone, unless they are injured.
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Post by bigsaintg on Sept 14, 2013 11:52:18 GMT -5
Many of our players have spent 4.5 years here to get a bachelors, at least for another .5 they still get to play
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Post by gorvy on Sept 14, 2013 11:56:29 GMT -5
Nola, if you're playing for 2018, then let's redshirt Wright and Long too!! With (3) 5th year seniors, we should be real dangerous that year!! lol[/quote] Why stop there? Since this year apparently doesn't matter, just red-shirt the entire team. We could use Go Siena's proposed tarp configuration, (you know the one that covers all of the seats) from when the admin was still trying to find out if Mitch was good. Sure, it will be tough winning games this year with just Cruz, but look at the upside in 2018. By then Long ought to be able to dribble two basketballs in a figure 8 pattern blindfolded using only his pinkies (My apologies PPC if he can already do this). Wright and Hymes could learn how to climb on each other to get closer to the hoop. Patsos can have more time to work on his "in stands" coaching and his triangle and 2 defense. Heck, he might even throw in a pentagon trap, who knows. I'm thinking national championship.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Sept 14, 2013 11:57:25 GMT -5
Siena doesn't even have a post grad program. Who wants to do 5 years of schoolwork for a bachelor's degree? Why redshirt Wolfe so he can take his 5th year (without sitting out mind you) back to Maryland after all his Maryland friends have graduated? Get a graduate program first, then we can talk about redshirts. I want all hands on deck. Now if Michael Wolfe's secret passion is advanced accounting, it's a different story. It was all set up at Loyola until they switched to the PL. who frowns out redshirting....Wolfe lost the other schools that wanted him after committing so Prep came into play....To keep him a reshirt was offered at Siena with that said I think the decision is up to Wolfe and if Montreal is an example of how he will be used a redshirt is prob on the way....I doubt this happens again or with any regularity while Patsos is here....this is a case of holding on to his recruits.......Patsos will get players ready to play going forward
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 11:58:29 GMT -5
I'm a little afraid of redshirting one of our best athletes this year. 1.Wright 2.Hymes 3.Poole 4.Long 5.Bisping If this is first 5 right now how do you divide the minutes from here to include Wolfe? It doesn't really matter who the "first 5" are. Wright, Hymes, and Poole will play about 90 of 120 minutes available at the 1-3 positions. White, Audu, Oliver, Long, and possibly Cole will be fighting for a share of 30 minutes. Even without Cole, that's less than 10 minutes per guy, so if it makes sense to RS Wolfe, like hoopjunkie said, it makes sense to RS 3 of these guys also. But seriously, up front, Silas and Bisping won't play more than 25 each, probably 20. Ogunyemi can play 20-25. Then Lavon can play 15 here, where you don't want him, or Wolfe plays 10-15 and develops his game.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 11:58:53 GMT -5
I'm a little afraid of redshirting one of our best athletes this year. 1.Wright 2.Hymes 3.Poole 4.Long 5.Bisping If this is first 5 right now how do you divide the minutes from here to include Wolfe? Lavon and Silas are foul prone so far. Bisping might miss some games here and there. JO broke his ankle. 1 injury and Wolfe has a legit role. If Jimmy doesn't have to make a formal decision on this fine. He can just have Wolfe on the "reserves." At some point this season, he may not have a choice.
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