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Post by MTS on Sept 5, 2013 16:14:26 GMT -5
Xavier athletic director says Big East will likely expand, names four possible targets
It's Saint Louis, Dayton, Richmond and VCU, who are the four schools who always get mentioned.
We just need to get it going again and there's no doubt in my mind we will be in the A10 within the next few years!
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Post by siena12077 on Sept 5, 2013 19:14:28 GMT -5
Xavier athletic director says Big East will likely expand, names four possible targets It's Saint Louis, Dayton, Richmond and VCU, who are the four schools who always get mentioned.We just need to get it going again and there's no doubt in my mind we will be in the A10 within the next few years! What historically good programs would be left in the A-10? It would not be as great in reality as it sounds
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Post by MTS on Sept 5, 2013 19:21:06 GMT -5
Xavier athletic director says Big East will likely expand, names four possible targets It's Saint Louis, Dayton, Richmond and VCU, who are the four schools who always get mentioned.We just need to get it going again and there's no doubt in my mind we will be in the A10 within the next few years! What historically good programs would be left in the A-10? It would not be as great in reality as it sounds You're kidding right? It's a no-brainer if we should get the invite down the road. LaSalle, UMass, URI, St. Bonnie, GW, George Mason, Davidson (plus two of VCU/Dayton/Richmond would stay) OR SPC, Canisius, Marist, Monmouth, Quinnipac, Rider etc Also if you win and go to the NCAAs you get to KEEP the MONEY... not so in the socialist MAAC where SPC made the same amount of money off Siena's NCAA wins as Siena did.
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Post by glen on Sept 6, 2013 6:53:33 GMT -5
yep this is a no brainer if we get the call.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 6:56:36 GMT -5
What historically good programs would be left in the A-10? It would not be as great in reality as it sounds You're kidding right? It's a no-brainer if we should get the invite down the road. LaSalle, UMass, URI, St. Bonnie, GW, George Mason, Davidson (plus two of VCU/Dayton/Richmond would stay) OR SPC, Canisius, Marist, Monmouth, Quinnipac, Rider etc Also if you win and go to the NCAAs you get to KEEP the MONEY... not so in the socialist MAAC where SPC made the same amount of money off Siena's NCAA wins as Siena did. Can you see the future? Because UMass is already trying to leave the A-10, Davidson may back out if more teams leave, and anyone could leave, too. Besides which, with all new teams coming in, votes change and revenue sharing percentages could change , along with many other things. I agree with siena12077, it MIGHT be a step up at that point, but not as great as some make it out to be.
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Post by th24 on Sept 6, 2013 7:27:42 GMT -5
The writing is on the wall. Siena will be in the A10!
1. Just look at the MAAC's behavior towards Siena in the last 6 months..they are kissing up BIG time. The MAAC tournament is back in Albany and don't overlook Ensor's little visit to Montreal. When did he start caring about Siena? Or is he scared to loose Siena?
2.Then there is Coach Jimmy...in one of his first interviews ( ESPN Albany) he said ..Siena asked him if he was scared or intimidated to be in the A10? He said " NO ". Why ask that question..unless something might be in the works?!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 8:48:57 GMT -5
The writing is on the wall. Siena will be in the A10! 1. Just look at the MAAC's behavior towards Siena in the last 6 months..they are kissing up BIG time. The MAAC tournament is back in Albany and don't overlook Ensor's little visit to Montreal. When did he start caring about Siena? Or is he scared to loose Siena? 2.Then there is Coach Jimmy...in one of his first interviews ( ESPN Albany) he said ..Siena asked him if he was scared or intimidated to be in the A10? He said " NO ". Why ask that question..unless something might be in the works?! Something is always in the works, for every program. The fact is, the A-10 has already lost substantial punch and if they lose more teams, they aren't nearly as attractive as they were. It might make more sense to try getting the MAAC to change their revenue sharing. With new teams coming in, the voting in the MAAC could change.
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Post by th24 on Sept 6, 2013 8:55:42 GMT -5
The writing is on the wall. Siena will be in the A10! 1. Just look at the MAAC's behavior towards Siena in the last 6 months..they are kissing up BIG time. The MAAC tournament is back in Albany and don't overlook Ensor's little visit to Montreal. When did he start caring about Siena? Or is he scared to loose Siena? 2.Then there is Coach Jimmy...in one of his first interviews ( ESPN Albany) he said ..Siena asked him if he was scared or intimidated to be in the A10? He said " NO ". Why ask that question..unless something might be in the works?! Something is always in the works, for every program. The fact is, the A-10 has already lost substantial punch and if they lose more teams, they aren't nearly as attractive as they were. It might make more sense to try getting the MAAC to change their revenue sharing. With new teams coming in, the voting in the MAAC could change. I doubt that will ever happen
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Post by glen on Sept 6, 2013 10:55:43 GMT -5
Even if the A10 loses the proposed teams to the Big East it is still a better league top to bottom. Is it worlds better, no...not in itself. That said, the A10 doesn't pretend to be a LAX league or a hockey league. It is a BASKETBALL league which is why most of the schools in the league have a sweet-16 under their belt. The A10 has gone through tons of changes over the last 30 years. They've had some BCS schools then lost them. Still they are a consistent winner and turn the teams they do have into performers. They don't always get 4 bids but they usually get 2 at least. That's 100% better than the MAAC on a regular basis. Add in the revenue stuff and their TV/tourney situation (which could change I admit) and it looks way better.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 11:26:56 GMT -5
Even if the A10 loses the proposed teams to the Big East it is still a better league top to bottom. Is it worlds better, no...not in itself. That said, the A10 doesn't pretend to be a LAX league or a hockey league. It is a BASKETBALL league which is why most of the schools in the league have a sweet-16 under their belt. The A10 has gone through tons of changes over the last 30 years. They've had some BCS schools then lost them. Still they are a consistent winner and turn the teams they do have into performers. They don't always get 4 bids but they usually get 2 at least. That's 100% better than the MAAC on a regular basis. Add in the revenue stuff and their TV/tourney situation (which could change I admit) and it looks way better. They usually get 2 bids, no question. But when Temple, Xavier, Butler, Dayton, Richmond, and UMass are gone, do you really think they will keep getting multiple bids?
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Post by glen on Sept 6, 2013 11:37:24 GMT -5
Magic - maybe not immediately. They did have some 1-bid years in the past too but because of their emphasis on hoop and their ability (and willingness) to schedule up they will always have decent programs. Keep in mind it isn't just "how good is the top" but how bad is the bottom?
What kills the MAAC is the 8,9,10 teams that have 300+ RPIs. That's 6 games + tournament to LOWER the RPI of anyone they play even in a win. The A10 as it stands today probably has 1 team with a 250+ RPI (maybe Duquesne?) Plus everyone in the league has a goal of a winning a few in the big dance. There are probably 3-4 MAAC teams who can realistically project that with the rest just happy to get on the court.
The league's rules are conducive to having successful programs. Heck, Bona is rebounding (pun intended) nicely now. Will the A10 be down after the departures, sure...but then they'll be adding us to make up for it :-)
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Post by Tony on Sept 6, 2013 11:49:37 GMT -5
Good luck in getting the majority of MAAC programs to change NCAA revenue sharing—because if that changes MAAC dues go up – so do you think the low budget programs in MAAC will vote to give themselves a massive dues increase?
Money talks and you know what walks—look at the budget of MAAC teams ( other than FF) and then look at A10 men’s basketball budgets, look at attendance ,facilities media coverage and then compare to MAAC. Any combination of programs left in A10 are worlds better than MAAC—and the single most important reason to go is the NCAA revenue sharing the A10 has, it has a higher profile, so you get better recruits, I really don’t see a down side
I will say 1st thing Siena needs to do is get their house in order- hiring Jimmy is a step in the right direction. Only way I wouldn't want to move up is if Siena cant compete.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 11:54:32 GMT -5
Good luck in getting the majority of MAAC programs to change NCAA revenue sharing—because if that changes MAAC dues go up – so do you think the low budget programs in MAAC will vote to give themselves a massive dues increase? Money talks and you know what walks—look at the budget of MAAC teams ( other than FF) and then look at A10 men’s basketball budgets, look at attendance ,facilities media coverage and then compare to MAAC. Any combination of programs left in A10 are worlds better than MAAC—and the single most important reason to go is the NCAA revenue sharing the A10 has, it has a higher profile, so you get better recruits, I really don’t see a down side Nobody said there was a downside, a couple said that it's not as great as MTS makes it out to be. Since you mentioned attendance and media coverage, don't you think those decrease without Temple, Xavier, Dayton, Butler, UMass, Richmond, etc?
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Post by Tony on Sept 6, 2013 12:03:49 GMT -5
of course it does.. but remaining A10 programs are still better than MAAC Programs... and in the A10 programs that invest in their program and go to NCAA's get to keep 70% of the revenue. In the MAAC you get peanuts rest goes to conference to cover ( or keep down conference dues) and from what I can see Siena would be able to compete against any programs left in A10- attendance ( revenue would increase) Make a few trips to NCAA's and once again revenue goes up.
Nobody is saying its like going to new Big East- but it would be a step up. I've yet to see anyone post a downside of going to A10- should Siena be fortunate enough to get an invitation ( which we currently dont have)
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Post by OneIndian on Sept 6, 2013 12:06:48 GMT -5
LaSalle, UMass, URI, St. Bonnie, GW, George Mason, Davidson and posdibly 2 stay from VCU/Dayton/Richmond
Still way better vs MAAC. Plus where is UMASS going?
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