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Post by playerparentcoach on Aug 28, 2013 14:01:28 GMT -5
he is playing limited minutes in a reserved roll come on ...you used Wright's stats from these same games and said he is the most important piece of the puzzle...Thats fine as he is.producing while starting and playing major mins....if Lavon started and got 30 min I believe he can do what he did in HS 15pts, 11rebs, 4 blks, 3asst, and 3 steals....these are the 5 major categories that he can shine in if given the mins with his skill set...he is a G/F that can play 1-4 on the DI level and that is true even if he just plays 3/4 all year Honestly, I don't believe that. These games don't matter. I'm just blowing smoke. I just want him to play the 4 for the mismatch and running aspects. It makes us a much better team. Still, if he wants to play the SF, it's on Lavon to show everyone he belongs there. This team gives up a lot by moving him there and losing out on that mismatch. College numbers based on how much 4 Lavon has been playing with more minutes should be 10ppg, 7rpg, 2.5 apg, 1bpg, 1.2 spg he can do that from the 3/4 position without the ball in his hands as a playmaker.....Senior year he played 1-5 but defended inside ..alot of zone and he was on the box....but made plays off the defensive glass though and blocked shots.. KK I get that Lavon at the 4 helps the team...story of his life....I realize now that Lavon needed to go to a BCS school to maximize his potential....MM level just does not have the size he needs to be what he is....I agree with the mismatch problem...just disagree that he has to play the 4 because he has not proven he can play the 3 at the DI level...when you have DI guards even some pros that do not handle or pass well yet are called a guard because they are 6'3....but Lavon or any other 6'6 guy has to prove they have the guard skills before they get the opportunity or never get the opportunity because you are the best option inside eventhough you handle pass shoot and defend better than the 6'3 guy......I am sure this will come up again until then I will watch this year unfold ..as long as Lavon is happy....I am happy...so far so good
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 14:05:50 GMT -5
It's on Lavon to show it? Is this the final Lanier year, where the players just do what they want? Lavon is doing what the coach tells him to do, just like everyone else. He's playing the 4 and putting up shooting and a/to numbers very similar to the guards anyways. Sure. It's on Lavon to show that he's SOOO good at the SF that it overrides anything we lose with him not playing with 3 other guards. He could be just as good as Poole at SF but it still wouldn't necessarily make sense to move him there. He's cursed by his own talents and versatility. And I don't think it would be much different on 90% of D1 teams. That's a team thing. If someone becomes so good at the PF that it makes sense to move Lavon back to the three than so be it. But I don't see that happening much in D1, might be more likely in the pros. We could ask the same question of David Laury. Could he play the SF? Probably. Does Iona want him to? Nope.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Aug 28, 2013 14:38:11 GMT -5
Lavon fills all the five major statistical categories. That will be his claim to fame...even if he does not have the ball in his hands to make plays he will kick it out to shooters and can get 2 or 3 asst per game from the 4 spot if he gets the mins 9.3pts, 4.2rebs, 1A, .7blks, .25 stls after 4 games and a 1pt 1reb included in the totals...non starter playing less than 20 mins a game mostly at the 4 and KK he only has 3 TOs in 4 games and 4 asst how is that terrible? Assists and steals are major categories for guards. For a small foward I'd substitute 3pt% and FT% as major categories. Whare are his numbers in those catergories so far? Lavon is a guard that plays the 3/4. Patsos believes that as well...I dont know of another player putting those numbers up in College ...usually if you block shots and reb you dont get stls and asst but Lavon does and thats what makes him unique
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Post by playerparentcoach on Aug 28, 2013 14:50:10 GMT -5
It's on Lavon to show it? Is this the final Lanier year, where the players just do what they want? Lavon is doing what the coach tells him to do, just like everyone else. He's playing the 4 and putting up shooting and a/to numbers very similar to the guards anyways. Sure. It's on Lavon to show that he's SOOO good at the SF that it overrides anything we lose with him not playing with 3 other guards. He could be just as good as Poole at SF but it still wouldn't necessarily make sense to move him there. He's cursed by his own talents and versatility. And I don't think it would be much different on 90% of D1 teams. That's a team thing. If someone becomes so good at the PF that it makes sense to move Lavon back to the three than so be it. But I don't see that happening much in D1, might be more likely in the pros. We could ask the same question of David Laury. Could he play the SF? Probably. Does Iona want him to? Nope. KK you sound like HS...sure in the MAAC has 6'6 centers and PFs because they lack the skill set to play on perimeter ....never said Lavon is ready to do it without flaws right now but you can say that about everyone on the team.....Bottom line I understand why kids go prep for higher offers....I only looked at that one way till now but in Lavon's case that is the level where guys are bigger and taller which would allow Lavon to play his game...Michael Carter Williams is a 6'6 pg and was drafted in the first rd because he.played his position in college....no way he plays the pg in the MAAC unless he played for Iona
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Post by $cott on Aug 28, 2013 15:40:51 GMT -5
Sure. It's on Lavon to show that he's SOOO good at the SF that it overrides anything we lose with him not playing with 3 other guards. He could be just as good as Poole at SF but it still wouldn't necessarily make sense to move him there. He's cursed by his own talents and versatility. And I don't think it would be much different on 90% of D1 teams. That's a team thing. If someone becomes so good at the PF that it makes sense to move Lavon back to the three than so be it. But I don't see that happening much in D1, might be more likely in the pros. We could ask the same question of David Laury. Could he play the SF? Probably. Does Iona want him to? Nope. KK you sound like HS...sure in the MAAC has 6'6 centers and PFs because they lack the skill set to play on perimeter ....never said Lavon is ready to do it without flaws right now but you can say that about everyone on the team.....Bottom line I understand why kids go prep for higher offers....I only looked at that one way till now but in Lavon's case that is the level where guys are bigger and taller which would allow Lavon to play his game... Michael Carter Williams is a 6'6 pg and was drafted in the first rd because he.played his position in college....no way he plays the pg in the MAAC unless he played for Iona That just isn't true, Prosper Karangwa ran the point for Siena and he was 6'7". If you have the skills to play the point in the MAAC then you can play it at any size.
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Post by poopsickle on Aug 28, 2013 15:41:12 GMT -5
Sure. It's on Lavon to show that he's SOOO good at the SF that it overrides anything we lose with him not playing with 3 other guards. He could be just as good as Poole at SF but it still wouldn't necessarily make sense to move him there. He's cursed by his own talents and versatility. And I don't think it would be much different on 90% of D1 teams. That's a team thing. If someone becomes so good at the PF that it makes sense to move Lavon back to the three than so be it. But I don't see that happening much in D1, might be more likely in the pros. We could ask the same question of David Laury. Could he play the SF? Probably. Does Iona want him to? Nope. KK you sound like HS...sure in the MAAC has 6'6 centers and PFs because they lack the skill set to play on perimeter ....never said Lavon is ready to do it without flaws right now but you can say that about everyone on the team.....Bottom line I understand why kids go prep for higher offers....I only looked at that one way till now but in Lavon's case that is the level where guys are bigger and taller which would allow Lavon to play his game...Michael Carter Williams is a 6'6 pg and was drafted in the first rd because he.played his position in college....no way he plays the pg in the MAAC unless he played for Iona Just curious PPC ... what would be your ideal lineup? Not meant to troll or anything, just curious as to who you'd like to see at each position if Lavon were to be play the 3. I would like to see Lavon used almost like a Kyle Singler at Duke. Plug him in wherever you need help whenever he's on the court, he seems to be versatile enough in all aspects of the game to do that. His role should be matchup based, no need to peg him as either a 3 or 4 from day one. All in all it should be about what gets the team more wins, which from what you've said PPC seems to be what Lavon is interested in as well.
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Post by Sienafan on Aug 28, 2013 16:07:08 GMT -5
Assists and steals are major categories for guards. For a small foward I'd substitute 3pt% and FT% as major categories. Whare are his numbers in those catergories so far? Lavon is a guard that plays the 3/4. Patsos believes that as well...I dont know of another player putting those numbers up in College ...usually if you block shots and reb you dont get stls and asst but Lavon does and thats what makes him unique I think Lavon will make a great swingman in college. But he's got some work to do first. We need to get his 3 point shooting into the 34-40% range and get the FT% over 70%. Those are what a guard's shooting stats should look like.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Aug 28, 2013 16:23:50 GMT -5
KK you sound like HS...sure in the MAAC has 6'6 centers and PFs because they lack the skill set to play on perimeter ....never said Lavon is ready to do it without flaws right now but you can say that about everyone on the team.....Bottom line I understand why kids go prep for higher offers....I only looked at that one way till now but in Lavon's case that is the level where guys are bigger and taller which would allow Lavon to play his game...Michael Carter Williams is a 6'6 pg and was drafted in the first rd because he.played his position in college....no way he plays the pg in the MAAC unless he played for Iona Just curious PPC ... what would be your ideal lineup? Not meant to troll or anything, just curious as to who you'd like to see at each position if Lavon were to be play the 3. I would like to see Lavon used almost like a Kyle Singler at Duke. Plug him in wherever you need help whenever he's on the court, he seems to be versatile enough in all aspects of the game to do that. His role should be matchup based, no need to peg him as either a 3 or 4 from day one. All in all it should be about what gets the team more wins, which from what you've said PPC seems to be what Lavon is interested in as well. Agreed. So the recruiting process was about finding the coach willing to do that and I Believe we have... I liked the first.lineup when he said Poole would start at the 2 and Lavon at the 3....I do see why that changed and the team is 3-1 with the adjustments Coach made....It really does not matter at this point because Lavon is happy....I am just talking...Lavon is playing and the staff is satisfied with his effort...recruiting is over so this is not the time to ask questions...I am comfortable with Patsos Coaching Lavon...he knows his game
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Post by playerparentcoach on Aug 28, 2013 16:26:20 GMT -5
Lavon is a guard that plays the 3/4. Patsos believes that as well...I dont know of another player putting those numbers up in College ...usually if you block shots and reb you dont get stls and asst but Lavon does and thats what makes him unique I think Lavon will make a great swingman in college. But he's got some work to do first. We need to get his 3 point shooting into the 34-40% range and get the FT% over 70%. Those are what a guard's shooting stats should look like. Ok but does the same go for the 6'3 guy that cant handle and does not shoot 40%.....there are alot of them out there playing DI ball
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Post by Sienafan on Aug 28, 2013 16:45:35 GMT -5
I think Lavon will make a great swingman in college. But he's got some work to do first. We need to get his 3 point shooting into the 34-40% range and get the FT% over 70%. Those are what a guard's shooting stats should look like. Ok but does the same go for the 6'3 guy that cant handle and does not shoot 40%.....there are alot of them out there playing DI ball Not at Siena there aren't. If you're a guard that can neither handle the ball nor shoot, you won't play much for Jimmy Patsos.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Aug 28, 2013 16:56:51 GMT -5
Ok but does the same go for the 6'3 guy that cant handle and does not shoot 40%.....there are alot of them out there playing DI ball Not at Siena there aren't. If you're a guard that can neither handle the ball nor shoot, you won't play much for Jimmy Patsos. not directed at Siena players...there are DI players that are called guards because they are 6'3 but do not have all of the guard skills....some play for their defense....
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Post by Sienafan on Aug 28, 2013 17:21:55 GMT -5
Not at Siena there aren't. If you're a guard that can neither handle the ball nor shoot, you won't play much for Jimmy Patsos. not directed at Siena players...there are DI players that are called guards because they are 6'3 but do not have all of the guard skills....some play for their defense.... I'm not concerned about any other D1 players. I only care about what Siena players can do to beat the team's opponents. Any guards out there who don't have guard skills yet still get to play are most likely not at very good programs. At this program, everyone has been given a clean slate and is being given a chance to show what they've got. So on this team, when, where, and how much one plays is currently being determined by what each player is showing the coach. You're either good at what you do, or good at what the coach chooses for you to do - or you don't play. Given his history, Jimmy Patsos is unlikely to play guards who can't run, press, defend, handle the ball, and shoot well from the perimeter. And anyone who doesn't shoot well from downtown, but can drive to the basket and rebound will be directed to play closer to the basket and leave the perimeter to the shooters. But for the sake of argument, can you name some of these guards who don't have guard skills that you are referring to? Some examples would help me see where you're coming from.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 17:26:07 GMT -5
Ok but does the same go for the 6'3 guy that cant handle and does not shoot 40%.....there are alot of them out there playing DI ball Not at Siena there aren't. If you're a guard that can neither handle the ball nor shoot, you won't play much for Jimmy Patsos. Unless you're Evan Hymes.
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Post by gorvy on Aug 28, 2013 17:52:28 GMT -5
Based on the exhibition results so far, Siena won't even crack the top 200 in RPI this season, especially if we lose any amount of time to injury. Now, there is plenty of time, but rest assured Patsos is scrambling to find the best lineup possible, no matter who becomes unhappy as a result.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Aug 28, 2013 18:38:57 GMT -5
not directed at Siena players...there are DI players that are called guards because they are 6'3 but do not have all of the guard skills....some play for their defense.... I'm not concerned about any other D1 players. I only care about what Siena players can do to beat the team's opponents. Any guards out there who don't have guard skills yet still get to play are most likely not at very good programs. At this program, everyone has been given a clean slate and is being given a chance to show what they've got. So on this team, when, where, and how much one plays is currently being determined by what each player is showing the coach. You're either good at what you do, or good at what the coach chooses for you to do - or you don't play. Given his history, Jimmy Patsos is unlikely to play guards who can't run, press, defend, handle the ball, and shoot well from the perimeter. And anyone who doesn't shoot well from downtown, but can drive to the basket and rebound will be directed to play closer to the basket and leave the perimeter to the shooters. But for the sake of argument, can you name some of these guards who don't have guard skills that you are referring to? Some examples would help me see where you're coming from. I know that to be true of Patsos...and we are in agreement on what he expects of his players... And I only care about Siena players as well so we can move forward...just heard Lavon is starting at the 4 tonight...Poole Long and Bisping on the court together
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