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Post by MTS on Jul 22, 2013 12:33:26 GMT -5
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Post by ltf on Jul 22, 2013 22:47:59 GMT -5
If Siena is going anywhere this year, Wright absolutey has to take over the point job quickly. This kid is the most important recruit Siena picked up this year. Hymes might be a good kid but Siena is going nowhere with him; Wright has to be the man!
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Post by sean on Jul 23, 2013 11:10:12 GMT -5
I like all of our incoming freshman, but I believe Wright makes or breaks our season. We all know Evan is going to shoot and probably a lot, so when Wright comes in hopefully he can balance Hymes' shooting with his passing. If we can balance those out I think we can have a successful season
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Post by MTS on Jul 23, 2013 11:59:26 GMT -5
Wright and Long are the two most important frosh. We need both of them to have all-rookie type of seasons to have a solid season. The good news is they both appear to be college ready which is very important no matter what their talent level is (which I think is pretty high). I think Hymes will start at PG to start the season but by midseason or maybe even sooner I expect Wright to be starting if he plays well.
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Post by saints73 on Jul 23, 2013 12:44:36 GMT -5
If Siena is going anywhere this year, Wright absolutey has to take over the point job quickly. This kid is the most important recruit Siena picked up this year. Hymes might be a good kid but Siena is going nowhere with him; Wright has to be the man! I still think that Hymes can be successful as a point guard with the proper coaching and playing in an up-tempo system.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2013 13:07:45 GMT -5
Hymes isn't as turnover prone as his stats indicate because of the amount of time he has had the ball in his hands. Essentially, he has been the only person defenses had to worry about dribbling past them. He saw numerous double teams and the lanes were clogged because we've been essentially playing with 2 centers who had no range past 5ft since RyRo left. Last year was a product of the offense. Evan was not going to get a lot of assists dishing to a 20% shooter like Brookins or even on post feeds to OD. OD got the ball then backed guys in. No assists for that, either. Every time the offense stalled it put more pressure on Hymes.
There's no lineup that Siena will put there this year that has 2 guys that can't shoot it to at least 15 ft. If it's Bisping, he can shoot out to 24ft. That in itself takes pressure off of Hymes. Then when you add the new tweaks that Jimmy is bound to make and he could turn into a star. There will be more movement in Jimmy's half court offense and probably more transition points. All benefits to Hymes.
He may not be a pure PG but he's not as bad as his 229-227 assist to TO ratio indicates.
If Wright is really the one-man turnover margin stud that his HS stats make him out to be then a lineup rotation with both Wright and Hymes playing 30 mins each is not out of the question seeing as how Hymes is our most dynamic returning scorer.
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Post by SaintsFan on Jul 23, 2013 13:23:37 GMT -5
Hymes isn't as turnover prone as his stats indicate because of the amount of time he has had the ball in his hands. Essentially, he has been the only person defenses had to worry about dribbling past them. He saw numerous double teams and the lanes were clogged because we've been essentially playing with 2 centers who had no range past 5ft since RyRo left. Last year was a product of the offense. Evan was not going to get a lot of assists dishing to a 20% shooter like Brookins or even on post feeds to OD. OD got the ball then backed guys in. No assists for that, either. Every time the offense stalled it put more pressure on Hymes. There's no lineup that Siena will put there this year that has 2 guys that can't shoot it to at least 15 ft. If it's Bisping, he can shoot out to 24ft. That in itself takes pressure off of Hymes. Then when you add the new tweaks that Jimmy is bound to make and he could turn into a star. There will be more movement in Jimmy's half court offense and probably more transition points. All benefits to Hymes. He may not be a pure PG but he's not as bad as his 229-227 assist to TO ratio indicates. If Wright is really the one-man turnover margin stud that his HS stats make him out to be then a lineup rotation with both Wright and Hymes playing 30 mins each is not out of the question seeing as how Hymes is our most dynamic returning scorer. I am not really sure what to expect of Hymes. I really dont like his size at all especially if we want to get back to playing "up" games. KK is indeed correct that his numbers of the past are deceiving considering he played in that lethargic offense of disarray of the past few years. Nothing like being 5'6" and being asked to bail out the offense late in the shot clock over and over... or to be a one man offensive creator at that size. I am remaining open minded about every one on the roster despite my hesitations with Hymes, Audu, Oliver and Bisping. They simply have to be better in the Patsos system.
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Post by knicksaint on Jul 23, 2013 20:31:52 GMT -5
For what it's worth, Jimmy and staff have stated more than once that Evan is one of the top two or three PGs in the MAAC.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2013 20:58:17 GMT -5
For what it's worth, Jimmy and staff have stated more than once that Evan is one of the top two or three PGs in the MAAC. To be fair, that's not saying much this year. There's only 4 other starting PGs that MAAC fans will even recognize. Sledge, Baron, Alvarado, Morton and a bunch of noobs. I'd say he's better than Morton and Alvarado, so there's your top 3.
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Post by Sienafan on Jul 23, 2013 22:44:50 GMT -5
I am remaining open minded about every one on the roster despite my hesitations with Hymes, Audu, Oliver and Bisping. They simply have to be better in the Patsos system. I think you'll find that just about everyone will be better in Patsos' system. I predict that Bisping makes the biggest sophomore leap. He showed flashes of what's to come last season - lots of games with between 5-11 pts. when he got decent minutes and an 8 rebound game against San Diego. As a starter and with 10 lbs. of muscle newly added since last season, he can be a 10-5 guy consistently.
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Post by glen on Jul 24, 2013 6:49:27 GMT -5
Remember when Hewitt and Fran came in...the same guys who looked lost on the prior watch looked minimally OK - if not good - in the new system. All these guys have some degree of talent that was not exploited previously. Frosh and transfers are unproven but in all probability will contribute. For the first time in 3 years I'm excited about November.
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Post by mrsiena on Jul 24, 2013 7:30:39 GMT -5
[quote author="@saintkk" seeing as how Hymes is our most dynamic returning scorer.[/quote] I totally disagree. To me Poole is our best scorer. He didn't get nowhere near the shots he should have gotten with Brookins and Hymes putting up 20-30 shots a game last year. I believe many fans would not have been upset if both didn't return this year.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 8:58:09 GMT -5
I totally disagree. To me Poole is our best scorer. He didn't get nowhere near the shots he should have gotten with Brookins and Hymes putting up 20-30 shots a game last year. I believe many fans would not have been upset if both didn't return this year. The offense should have run thru Poole more sure, but let's remember that Hymes was, in effect, recruited by accident and despite that is on pace to score 1,486 career points. He's a career 35% 3 pt shooter despite shooting from 28 ft away off the dribble with 5 seconds left on the clock most of the time. How often do we get to see him step into an open three whilst toeing the 3 pt line? Almost never. When he does, he usually makes it. He has the handle and quickness to beat anyone in the league off the dribble in a one on one scenario and he makes his FTs. The kid has tons of heart, stays out of trouble, and can put up 20+ pts in a heartbeat. It would be stupid to wish a guy like this away. Get him in a situation where the fate of the world is not in whether he's on the court or not, has room to run, and even develop some plays where he gets some actual open looks from just 22 ft. and he'll probably shoot close to 40%. No college team should throw away a shooter who is also the fastest person on the court at almost all times. Poole is a great shooter but let's also not forget that Hymes has shot better than him overall over 2 years and is just now coming into when most college players have their best years...as upperclassmen. They are both shooters. And you never throw away an upperclassmen shooter. Never.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jul 24, 2013 10:17:54 GMT -5
Poole is the shooter and Hymes and Wright are pg's in Patsos system..I hope Audi and Oliver get mixed in at the 2 before the two pg lineup comes into play...really dont like to see 5 footers taking more shots than the 6'4 shooting guard...just saying
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 10:31:03 GMT -5
Poole is the shooter and Hymes and Wright are pg's in Patsos system..I hope Audi and Oliver get mixed in at the 2 before the two pg lineup comes into play...really dont like to see 5 footers taking more shots than the 6'4 shooting guard...just saying Since there is only 2 PGs on the roster they have to back each other up. The absolute most they'd play together would be 10-20 minutes. That's essentially like what a bench player/6th man would play. You always talk about not getting caught up on size and roles so this seems a bit contradictory. There are 4 shooters on this team who I think can shoot as high as 40%. Hymes is one of them, and also the most proven one. You've never seen him play so all you really know is that he's 5-8 but he also has the deepest 3 pt range in the league while being the probably the fastest.
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