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Post by SIENA1971 on Jun 27, 2013 9:03:03 GMT -5
Quote from new commissioner Val Ackerman: "Right now we love 10,” she said. “Ten is a great number. We have no immediate plans to go beyond it. We have so much on our plate right now that expansion isn’t even on the radar screen with all the other things we need to do to get the conference up and running. That’s where we’re going to be for the foreseeable future.”
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Post by OneIndian on Jun 27, 2013 9:39:21 GMT -5
ARGH! Not good news for those of us hoping for an A10 invite.
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Post by sienafan1480 on Jun 27, 2013 10:09:57 GMT -5
ARGH! Not good news for those of us hoping for an A10 invite. If anything I think this is a good thing for those who want the A-10 bid. If the Big East plays with 10 for a year or so, it gives Siena time to get the program back on solid footing. It also gives them time to perhaps break ground and show progress on the facilities project, that would certainly make them more attractive. I still have mixed feelings about the move up myself. I understand the quality of opponent improves with the league improvement, but do we really want to go through the certain struggles and mediocrity while we build the program to being competitive. No offense to the Bonnies, but that is not what I want for my college's basketball program, to be relevant once every 10 years or so when you strike lightning in a bottle with a few recruits. Fran seemed to be able to build a pretty solid national profile at the mid major level in the MAAC, and if Patsos is the right guy he will be able to do the same. Hell, Butler did it out of the Horizon League and the WCC wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire when Gonzaga became the mid major wrecking ball they are.
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Post by MTS on Jun 27, 2013 10:24:16 GMT -5
Siena going to the Big East would likely be a big time struggle but I think we'd do well in the A10 with the support and infrastructure that we have. You can do it out of the WCC, Horizon or MAAC but it's much tougher. Getting at-larges are tougher and seeding. Right now the focus should be getting back on track and winning MAAC championships. We've got a good coaching staff and three of the next four MAAC tournaments in our building so I am optimisitic. Eventually the Big East is going to go to 12 (Despite what the Commish says - TV/Money will talk) and likely the A10 will get raided again. If we bounce back strongly we'll be in a good position to get into the A10 IMHO.
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Post by glen on Jun 27, 2013 14:24:41 GMT -5
Argh. Sooo disappointing. Davidson getting the invitation before us is a real bummer. That sweet-16 appearance did it for them IMO. F* me that's so annoying. Actually, F* Mitch. Had our trajectory continued the wins would've probably put us in a better position than Davidson.
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Post by Tony on Jun 27, 2013 15:59:30 GMT -5
No question about it Glen- from a program prospective – Siena is light years ahead of Davidson- better facilities, much larger fan base, larger budget – but what Davidson does have is McKillop – they have been very consistent that last 25 years. Siena was actually slightly ahead of VCU 4 or 5 years ago—Siena hired Mitch and VCU hired Smart- the rest is history. No use crying over spilled milk- it is what it is. Siena isn’t going anywhere for a while. Let’s get back on top of the MAAC where we belong- and start bitch slapping programs like UA- Fordham Bonaventure etc once we get back to playing winning basketball the invites to a better conference will take care of itself
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Post by $cott on Jun 28, 2013 12:43:57 GMT -5
Funny thing is while this really hurts for an A10 invitation, it actually puts the Big East back into play for Siena. I think the Big East would love to add St Louis but doesn't like the geographic fit of Dayton for divisions and isn't very enthused about adding Richmond. If Siena could turn back into a midmajor power and the Big East still hasn't expanded then maybe, just maybe, Siena can get back in that discussion.
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Post by glensfalls on Jun 29, 2013 6:24:33 GMT -5
I would like to hear from the posters that confidently claimed, just a few months ago, to have inside information that Siena to the A10 was a done deal.
What happened? Was inside information correct at that time but events changed to upend the done deal or was the inside information not correct?
Personally I believe things will work out just fine for Siena in the MAAC.
Siena dominating the MAAC is IMO better than being a middle of the pack A10 team.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2013 7:34:17 GMT -5
I would like to hear from the posters that confidently claimed, just a few months ago, to have inside information that Siena to the A10 was a done deal. What happened? Was inside information correct at that time but events changed to upend the done deal or was the inside information not correct? Personally I believe things will work out just fine for Siena in the MAAC. Siena dominating the MAAC is IMO better than being a middle of the pack A10 team. Unfortunately, as of today, we are doing neither..........
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Post by nolesaint on Jun 29, 2013 21:20:25 GMT -5
I would like to hear from the posters that confidently claimed, just a few months ago, to have inside information that Siena to the A10 was a done deal. What happened? Was inside information correct at that time but events changed to upend the done deal or was the inside information not correct? Personally I believe things will work out just fine for Siena in the MAAC. Siena dominating the MAAC is IMO better than being a middle of the pack A10 team. Typical trouble maker / trash talker post: Everything has been taken care of but some of the expected departures from the A10 haven't happened yet. But you probably realized that and just wanted to insult some folks and start a fight....
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Post by siena12077 on Jun 30, 2013 17:53:33 GMT -5
I would like to hear from the posters that confidently claimed, just a few months ago, to have inside information that Siena to the A10 was a done deal. What happened? Was inside information correct at that time but events changed to upend the done deal or was the inside information not correct? Personally I believe things will work out just fine for Siena in the MAAC. Siena dominating the MAAC is IMO better than being a middle of the pack A10 team. Typical trouble maker / trash talker post: Everything has been taken care of but some of the expected departures from the A10 haven't happened yet. But you probably realized that and just wanted to insult some folks and start a fight.... Actually I'd like to know too. There were posters saying that Siena was going to have a press conference regarding it. Posters also said father Kevin and d'arg were just being coy when they didn't hear from any A-10 officials. Then people were saying some "highly regarded posters" from the A-10 board said they wanted Siena. Not one person before the so called announcement said that Siena wasn't going to get in probably because of Mitch and the program being down. That's the excuse now, along with waiting for the league to become watered down so invites may come. Which the only guess now is that we are building a 15 million dollar practice facility not for the maac but because the invite is coming. Real solid evidence there. It just sounds so ridiculous from a larger perspective. Almost like how you'd rather join a glorified MAAC and make it much harder to get to the tournament.
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Post by glen on Jul 1, 2013 6:38:09 GMT -5
I think all those things were true. It was expected that Siena was going to be invited. St. Louis also expected to get the invitation to the Big East. Heck, I saw an ESPN segment on how SLU was perfect for the new Big East and it was an on-site (at SLU) interview so I have to think ESPN thought it was coming. When that didn't happen it changed the Algebra a bit.
What posters are talking about with regard to Mitch is that Davidson got the invitation ahead of Siena. Personally I think the BE will go to 12 teams and they'll take 1 or 2 A10 teams to do it. When that happens we probably get the invitations. I'm not sure Mitch did us in or the admins holding out on a lower exit fee allowed Davidson to make the move first. Maybe it had nothing to do with any of that.
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Post by MTS on Jul 1, 2013 12:16:54 GMT -5
Well it's July 1st and Siena has no A10 invite which barring something very unlikely we will be in the MAAC at least for the next two seasons. My guess and it's only a guess is the Big East will add two teams (most likely St. Louis and Dayton) for 2015-2016. I think the next A10 wave of expansion comes July 1, 2016 (invite spring 2015). We have at least two and maybe three years to build up the program again and get back to the top of the MAAC where we are accustomed to being.
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Post by siena70 on Jul 1, 2013 12:41:56 GMT -5
I think that all of this Board with a few exceptions are afraid to place blame , where if belongs, Fr. Kevin.
He handed Mitch the job and Mitch was the same failure at Siena that he was af FF. Fr. Kevin is the real culprit here.
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Post by glen on Jul 1, 2013 12:53:54 GMT -5
Whoever made the hiring decision needs to be responsible. I'm not sure if it was Fr. Kevin or D'Arg or what but somebody screwed the pooch pretty hard. Hey, look, I can see reasons why he might have been given a shot but when things nose-dived almost immediately the leash should've been short. It wasn't. Water under the bridge now.
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